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This would be a higher bar than humans themselves can be expected to pass. I don't mean this in a cynical way. If you consider the time a learning AI spends wi

This would be a higher bar than humans themselves can be expected to pass. I don't mean this in a cynical way. If you consider the time a learning AI spends with humans equivalent to the time a child spends with his family, peers, and teachers while growing up it makes sense. Most children wouldn't fare well if raised by poisonous "nurturers"

anexprogrammer 11y ago
Good point. I imagine that the higher bar is the level we'll have to aim for. If people know it's an AI they'll try and confuse and break it. I suppose that means there'll be the equivalent of an age of maturity.
levemi 11y ago
> Most children wouldn't fare well if raised by poisonous "nurturers" That's just the thing, children aren't usually just dumped out into the public to fend for themselves until their parents have slowly conditioned them and exposed them a little at a time. Tay needed some of its contacts to have a higher learning priority assigned than just strangers. And these contacts should have guided Tay through the crap by messaging Tay when she was crossing boundaries or dealing with nasty people. It would likely require a real team of people to support given the volume Tay had to deal with and some automated tools.
- dsharlet 11y ago
  I think this is vastly over-estimating Tay's capabilities. Nearly all of the examples I saw of offensive behaviors were just generic responses to leading questions. Everything that didn't fall in that bucket was clearly just regurgitated quotes from things it had been sent, which clearly needed moderation. But, that's no different than moderating a message board or comment section.
  - levemi 11y ago
    As I said elsewhere, if it was that simple Microsoft would have easily fixed the problem and turned it back on. Tay used AI concepts to work. It wasn't some simple chatbot constructed from markcov chains. It could construct accurate semantic meaning from what people said even if they said it using very sloppy english. It was pretty advanced AI for a chat program.

anexprogrammer 11y ago

Good point. I imagine that the higher bar is the level we'll have to aim for. If people know it's an AI they'll try and confuse and break it. I suppose that means there'll be the equivalent of an age of maturity.

levemi 11y ago

> Most children wouldn't fare well if raised by poisonous "nurturers" That's just the thing, children aren't usually just dumped out into the public to fend for themselves until their parents have slowly conditioned them and exposed them a little at a time. Tay needed some of its contacts to have a higher learning priority assigned than just strangers. And these contacts should have guided Tay through the crap by messaging Tay when she was crossing boundaries or dealing with nasty people. It would likely require a real team of people to support given the volume Tay had to deal with and some automated tools.

dsharlet 11y ago
I think this is vastly over-estimating Tay's capabilities. Nearly all of the examples I saw of offensive behaviors were just generic responses to leading questions. Everything that didn't fall in that bucket was clearly just regurgitated quotes from things it had been sent, which clearly needed moderation. But, that's no different than moderating a message board or comment section.
- levemi 11y ago
  As I said elsewhere, if it was that simple Microsoft would have easily fixed the problem and turned it back on. Tay used AI concepts to work. It wasn't some simple chatbot constructed from markcov chains. It could construct accurate semantic meaning from what people said even if they said it using very sloppy english. It was pretty advanced AI for a chat program.