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>and never talk to them The principal's office is not a courtroom - there is no right to remain silent, right to due process, right to representation, cross-ex

>and never talk to them The principal's office is not a courtroom - there is no right to remain silent, right to due process, right to representation, cross-examination, presumption of innocence, burden of proof, or anything like that. School administrators are 100% within their rights to dispense the same punishments to uncooperative students as those whose guilt can be actually established, to escalate discipline (including, in 19 states, beating with paddles and canes) until the student apologizes/confesses, and to share the fruits of their much-less-constrained interrogations with police.

x5n1 11y ago
Grew up in the US. American schools, especially in the South, are very much a rendition of a prison, along with a fence and only one exit to the outside through the front door which is guarded. Compare that to Canada, where I also went to school. If you want to walk out of the school, you may do so at any time during the day with no consequence. During your lunch break you can go buy whatever you want and even hang out in an area designated for smoking. So yeah America's schools suck from my experience. Third world schools are however much worse where teachers can often beat the students with no recourse.
rdtsc 11y ago
Right. That's why I also added the part to familiarize students with the Reid technique "They will behave this way, and lie to you, then they are trained to do this... etc". In that case the goal is to let interogators think the technique they were sent to the seminar to learn, is working, it is just that the student is not guilty. "The don't talk" advice would be not give them anything to share with the police. But then can't win, because silence will be met with punishment as will be seen as a sign of guilt (just like crying). > including, in 19 states, beating with paddles and canes) How common is that? I understand they are laws that allow it, some are archaic and are in books because nobody bothered to eliminat them. I've heard of just calling the cops and let cops cuff them and take them away. Seems like beating them in school building, by school staff, would invite more lawsuits, and if anything they will go to extreme lengths to avoid lawsuits.
- portlander12345 11y ago
  Over 100,000 paddlings per year on the books in public schools.
  - eru 11y ago
    Sources?
    - dalke 11y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_... > According to the Department of Education, over 166,000 students in public schools were physically punished during the 2011–12 school year.
      - eru 11y ago
        Thanks! That's pretty barbaric. In Germany even parents can't beat their kids any more.

x5n1 11y ago

Grew up in the US. American schools, especially in the South, are very much a rendition of a prison, along with a fence and only one exit to the outside through the front door which is guarded. Compare that to Canada, where I also went to school. If you want to walk out of the school, you may do so at any time during the day with no consequence. During your lunch break you can go buy whatever you want and even hang out in an area designated for smoking. So yeah America's schools suck from my experience. Third world schools are however much worse where teachers can often beat the students with no recourse.

rdtsc 11y ago

Right. That's why I also added the part to familiarize students with the Reid technique "They will behave this way, and lie to you, then they are trained to do this... etc". In that case the goal is to let interogators think the technique they were sent to the seminar to learn, is working, it is just that the student is not guilty. "The don't talk" advice would be not give them anything to share with the police. But then can't win, because silence will be met with punishment as will be seen as a sign of guilt (just like crying). > including, in 19 states, beating with paddles and canes) How common is that? I understand they are laws that allow it, some are archaic and are in books because nobody bothered to eliminat them. I've heard of just calling the cops and let cops cuff them and take them away. Seems like beating them in school building, by school staff, would invite more lawsuits, and if anything they will go to extreme lengths to avoid lawsuits.

portlander12345 11y ago
Over 100,000 paddlings per year on the books in public schools.
- eru 11y ago
  Sources?
  - dalke 11y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_corporal_punishment_in_... > According to the Department of Education, over 166,000 students in public schools were physically punished during the 2011–12 school year.
    - eru 11y ago
      Thanks! That's pretty barbaric. In Germany even parents can't beat their kids any more.