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I love that he skips over the elephant in the room:that without his independent run, we would not have had G. W. Bush as president.

by redwood 11y ago

danharaj 11y ago
Why is it relevant?
- gjm11 11y ago
  Because one reason why Sanders was right to run as a Democrat rather than as an independent is that running as an independent might have enabled a Republican victory that wouldn't otherwise have happened, in which case Sanders's hypothetical independent campaign might be responsible for making Trump or Cruz president, which Sanders probably doesn't want.
  - danharaj 11y ago
    Right? I really don't like that point of view, because it gives the incumbent power structures a legitimacy they don't deserve. I think it is folly to criticize dissenters for dissenting too hard instead of falling in line. The lesser of two evils is still evil. It is not right to judge someone negatively for rejecting two choices they find unacceptable. Ralph Nader and Bernie Sanders are not responsible for the flaws of the system they choose to operate inside or outside of.
hotcool 11y ago
That myth was debunked long ago. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-M... http://www.cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html http://www.cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/ http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nade...
mindslight 11y ago
The entire purpose of the modern political machine is to take your general discontent and channel it toward individual people, in this case Bush II, so that you will forget the true scope of your oppressors. Gore, having lost, gets to go down as the better world that could have been. Obama, having won the position of being salesman for the status quo, gets labeled the disappointment. But you'll have forgotten this in 4 years, when it is pressingly important that $REPUBLICRAT not be reelected.

I love that he skips over the elephant in the room:that without his independent run, we would not have had G. W. Bush as president.

by redwood 11y ago

I love that he skips over the elephant in the room:that without his independent run, we would not have had G. W. Bush as president.

danharaj 11y ago

Why is it relevant?

gjm11 11y ago
Because one reason why Sanders was right to run as a Democrat rather than as an independent is that running as an independent might have enabled a Republican victory that wouldn't otherwise have happened, in which case Sanders's hypothetical independent campaign might be responsible for making Trump or Cruz president, which Sanders probably doesn't want.
- danharaj 11y ago
  Right? I really don't like that point of view, because it gives the incumbent power structures a legitimacy they don't deserve. I think it is folly to criticize dissenters for dissenting too hard instead of falling in line. The lesser of two evils is still evil. It is not right to judge someone negatively for rejecting two choices they find unacceptable. Ralph Nader and Bernie Sanders are not responsible for the flaws of the system they choose to operate inside or outside of.

hotcool 11y ago

That myth was debunked long ago. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/6/1260721/-The-Nader-M... http://www.cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html http://www.cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nader-cost-al-gore-the-2000-election/ http://disinfo.com/2010/11/debunked-the-myth-that-ralph-nade...

mindslight 11y ago

The entire purpose of the modern political machine is to take your general discontent and channel it toward individual people, in this case Bush II, so that you will forget the true scope of your oppressors. Gore, having lost, gets to go down as the better world that could have been. Obama, having won the position of being salesman for the status quo, gets labeled the disappointment. But you'll have forgotten this in 4 years, when it is pressingly important that $REPUBLICRAT not be reelected.