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Pretty cool, but my first thought is: how authentic will communication be when "holoporting" to each other if you both have those big hololens mounted on your h

by sigmar 11y ago

Pretty cool, but my first thought is: how authentic will communication be when "holoporting" to each other if you both have those big hololens mounted on your head? It will be hard to pick up on each other's facial expressions and impossible to look into each other's eyes.

x5n1 11y ago
Hololens will eventually be a contact lens. Progress is progress.
- deelowe 11y ago
  Might as well say that this will eventually be transporter or holodeck. The best we can assume at this point is that they'll reduce this down to something like a pair of large sunglasses, but even that's a bit optimistic without some revolutionary changes in optics.
  - bloaf 11y ago
    We'll just replace our eyeballs.
    - TheLogothete 11y ago
      We'll just replace our heads.
- erikpukinskis 11y ago
  Sure, eventually, but I can't imagine that on any reasonable timeframe.
cududa 11y ago
In a generation or two they'll do facial tracking. I imagine you'll get a full 3D model made of you, and it'll pick up the facial movements and transpose them onto your avatar
- natrius 11y ago
  This is possible with current consumer-grade webcams. You'll video conference like you do today, except you'll see life-like rendered avatars of each participant. Participants with VR headsets will be able to see everyone else sitting at a table with them. If you don't have a headset, you'll see the same video conference UI you see today, just with avatars instead of video.
  - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
    Next step - replace the avatar with an AI employee bot trained on your in-work responses, and we can all go off to the beach. And never come back.
- sigmar 11y ago
  Yea, perhaps. Like in the recent "face2face: realtime face capture and re-enactment video"[1]. and your reference to "your avatar" reminds me of the scene from the matrix where Morpheus describes "residual self-image"[2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk [2] https://youtu.be/AGZiLMGdCE0?t=26 https://youtu.be/AGZiLMGdCE0?t=26
  - bloaf 11y ago
    See also Ghost in the Shell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poKi7YyuamI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poKi7YyuamI
- lhl 11y ago
  Here's an example of Faceshift, which is completely markerless (Apple acquired them last year): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfAmNDNgHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfAmNDNgHk And here's a good example of the relatively high fidelity (marker-based) tracking that's happening in real-time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQpJgLs51w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQpJgLs51w
  - dividuum 11y ago
blisse 11y ago
I think facial expression is already possible, probably not nuanced enough, but that's just dependent on the resolution of the cameras and holograms. Getting eye-level detail will be a pain because of the mask, but the real fun is going to happen when this can all be done with just a pair of glasses (and hopefully contact lenses in the far future).

by sigmar 11y ago

x5n1 11y ago

Hololens will eventually be a contact lens. Progress is progress.

deelowe 11y ago
Might as well say that this will eventually be transporter or holodeck. The best we can assume at this point is that they'll reduce this down to something like a pair of large sunglasses, but even that's a bit optimistic without some revolutionary changes in optics.
- bloaf 11y ago
  We'll just replace our eyeballs.
  - TheLogothete 11y ago
    We'll just replace our heads.
erikpukinskis 11y ago
Sure, eventually, but I can't imagine that on any reasonable timeframe.

cududa 11y ago

In a generation or two they'll do facial tracking. I imagine you'll get a full 3D model made of you, and it'll pick up the facial movements and transpose them onto your avatar

natrius 11y ago
This is possible with current consumer-grade webcams. You'll video conference like you do today, except you'll see life-like rendered avatars of each participant. Participants with VR headsets will be able to see everyone else sitting at a table with them. If you don't have a headset, you'll see the same video conference UI you see today, just with avatars instead of video.
- TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
  Next step - replace the avatar with an AI employee bot trained on your in-work responses, and we can all go off to the beach. And never come back.
sigmar 11y ago
Yea, perhaps. Like in the recent "face2face: realtime face capture and re-enactment video"[1]. and your reference to "your avatar" reminds me of the scene from the matrix where Morpheus describes "residual self-image"[2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmajJTcpNk [2] https://youtu.be/AGZiLMGdCE0?t=26 https://youtu.be/AGZiLMGdCE0?t=26
- bloaf 11y ago
  See also Ghost in the Shell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poKi7YyuamI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poKi7YyuamI
lhl 11y ago
Here's an example of Faceshift, which is completely markerless (Apple acquired them last year): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfAmNDNgHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfAmNDNgHk And here's a good example of the relatively high fidelity (marker-based) tracking that's happening in real-time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQpJgLs51w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQpJgLs51w
- dividuum 11y ago

blisse 11y ago

I think facial expression is already possible, probably not nuanced enough, but that's just dependent on the resolution of the cameras and holograms. Getting eye-level detail will be a pain because of the mask, but the real fun is going to happen when this can all be done with just a pair of glasses (and hopefully contact lenses in the far future).