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I'm sorry, but you're statement is contradictory: a.) Dazzle wasn't intended to hide the ship b.) make it difficult to ascertain it's [sic] class, speed

I'm sorry, but you're statement is contradictory: a.) Dazzle wasn't intended to hide the ship b.) make it difficult to ascertain it's [sic] class, speed and heading Hide = hard to find Difficult = hard Ascertain = to know, to find out, to determine The point of camouflage is to hide 'information', and while that can be to make something blend in with its location/surroundings, it can also certainly be to make it appear to be something else, or doing something different from what it is actually doing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camouflage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camouflage

kbenson 11y ago
You're glossing over that what's being disputed is whether you are hiding the ship, or attributes of the ship. In one case, the purpose to prevent detection, in the other, it's to prevent useful action after detection.
function_seven 11y ago
You can't be serious with this. "Hide the ship" means: All I see is open ocean, sir! "Difficult to ascertain its class, speed, and heading" means: I don't know what kind of ship that is, sir! Nor do I know what direction it's traveling in! Hell, it's hard to see how fast it's going as well, sir! But I do know this, sir, there's a ship there. But I think you're smart enough to figure that out.
- hackbinary 11y ago
  No, these are all degrees of the same thing, concealment. That is the point of camouflage. There are two main strands to camouflage: 1. prevention of detection (crypsis), 2. look like something else (mimicry). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_camouflage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_camouflage https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/camouflage https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/camouflage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
  - function_seven 11y ago
    Oye. Ok, so the parent comment was this: > Dazzle wasn't intended to hide the ship but rather make it difficult to ascertain it's class, speed and heading. Here I am rephrasing it to fit your terms: > Dazzle wasn't intended to [prevent detection of] the ship but rather make it [look like something else]. But for some reason you chose instead to read that as a contradictory statement?

kbenson 11y ago

You're glossing over that what's being disputed is whether you are hiding the ship, or attributes of the ship. In one case, the purpose to prevent detection, in the other, it's to prevent useful action after detection.

function_seven 11y ago

You can't be serious with this. "Hide the ship" means: All I see is open ocean, sir! "Difficult to ascertain its class, speed, and heading" means: I don't know what kind of ship that is, sir! Nor do I know what direction it's traveling in! Hell, it's hard to see how fast it's going as well, sir! But I do know this, sir, there's a ship there. But I think you're smart enough to figure that out.

hackbinary 11y ago
No, these are all degrees of the same thing, concealment. That is the point of camouflage. There are two main strands to camouflage: 1. prevention of detection (crypsis), 2. look like something else (mimicry). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_camouflage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_camouflage https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/camouflage https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/camouflage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
- function_seven 11y ago
  Oye. Ok, so the parent comment was this: > Dazzle wasn't intended to hide the ship but rather make it difficult to ascertain it's class, speed and heading. Here I am rephrasing it to fit your terms: > Dazzle wasn't intended to [prevent detection of] the ship but rather make it [look like something else]. But for some reason you chose instead to read that as a contradictory statement?