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Whether he did or not is almost irrelevant. The police wouldn't have even been there if some dude hadn't decided to call 911 on the guy for "walking while hisp

Whether he did or not is almost irrelevant. The police wouldn't have even been there if some dude hadn't decided to call 911 on the guy for "walking while hispanic": > Fritz said he only saw Nieto pacing near a bench and eating from a bag but did not himself see any weapon. http://missionlocal.org/2016/03/witness-testified-alex-nieto-never-drew-weapon/ http://missionlocal.org/2016/03/witness-testified-alex-nieto...

raldi 11y ago
Fritz wasn't the one who called the police. Multiple other witnesses testify that Nieto had the weapon out and was pointing it at people and a dog: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-killed-by-S-F-police-was-inspiration-but-5344159.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-killed-by-S-F-police... What would you have done if you'd seen that?
- RVuRnvbM2e 11y ago
  > Fritz wasn't the one who called the police. Yes, he was. > What would you have done if you'd seen that? I disagree with the ridiculous US weapons laws, but if a defensive weapon can't be drawn against an aggressive dog, when can it be drawn?
  - raldi 11y ago
    You're right, I mixed him up with Evan Snow: "He grabbed the item in the holster, he removed it from the holster, and he pointed it directly at me,” Snow testified. http://missionlocal.org/2016/03/witness-says-alex-nieto-pointed-taser-at-him-before-shooting/ http://missionlocal.org/2016/03/witness-says-alex-nieto-poin... It's perfectly fine to draw a weapon to protect yourself from such a dog. But when the police show up and tell you to drop it, it's incredibly dangerous to refuse.
mooseburger 11y ago
>"walking while hispanic" I'm hispanic, Puertorican to be exact. Guy seemed to be dressed like a hoodlum in all images I can see in the article. I get nervous when I see people dressed like that here in San Juan, and he definitely would have seemed shady wandering around in a park, alone, dressed like that. Sure, maybe it's not tolerant to judge someone like that based on what they wear, but at the same time, I can't fathom why an innocent would insist on literally dressing like a gangbanger.
- viiralvx 11y ago
  Orrrrr, people can dress however they like without the fear of getting assaulted by police, sexually assaulted, etc. What a close-minded and dangerous view to have, attaching one's perceived morality to their clothing.
- swampthinker 11y ago
  Are you serious? It's a fucking 49er's jacket and some black pants. That's nowhere near close enough to be considered "dressed as a cholo". It's the fact that some white transplant saw a Hispanic guy wearing a bomber jacket and Snapback hat, and decided that was a suspicious look. That's frankly " walking while Hispanic"
  - raldi 11y ago
    Why do you omit the part about him carrying and allegedly pointing around an object that looked just like a handgun?
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- nkrisc 11y ago
  Wearing 49ers jacket and hat in San Francisco is dressing like a hoodlum?
  - mooseburger 11y ago
    By itself, no. Were the jacket and pants oversized? How did he style his hair and facial hair? Lots of ways to signal "I am a thug", even if you aren't.
- RVuRnvbM2e 11y ago
  > it's not tolerant to judge someone like that based on what they wear correct.
- pm24601 11y ago
  > Sure, maybe it's not tolerant to judge someone like that based on what they wear, but at the same time, I can't fathom why an innocent would insist on literally dressing like a gangbanger. Can I judge you based on this statement? Note: I am judging you based on your attitude not just how you look, therefore it is not prejudicial. Seriously, why should it matter what someone wears? You may not be friends with them or date them.

raldi 11y ago

Fritz wasn't the one who called the police. Multiple other witnesses testify that Nieto had the weapon out and was pointing it at people and a dog: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-killed-by-S-F-police-was-inspiration-but-5344159.php http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-killed-by-S-F-police... What would you have done if you'd seen that?

RVuRnvbM2e 11y ago
> Fritz wasn't the one who called the police. Yes, he was. > What would you have done if you'd seen that? I disagree with the ridiculous US weapons laws, but if a defensive weapon can't be drawn against an aggressive dog, when can it be drawn?
- raldi 11y ago
  You're right, I mixed him up with Evan Snow: "He grabbed the item in the holster, he removed it from the holster, and he pointed it directly at me,” Snow testified. http://missionlocal.org/2016/03/witness-says-alex-nieto-pointed-taser-at-him-before-shooting/ http://missionlocal.org/2016/03/witness-says-alex-nieto-poin... It's perfectly fine to draw a weapon to protect yourself from such a dog. But when the police show up and tell you to drop it, it's incredibly dangerous to refuse.

mooseburger 11y ago

>"walking while hispanic" I'm hispanic, Puertorican to be exact. Guy seemed to be dressed like a hoodlum in all images I can see in the article. I get nervous when I see people dressed like that here in San Juan, and he definitely would have seemed shady wandering around in a park, alone, dressed like that. Sure, maybe it's not tolerant to judge someone like that based on what they wear, but at the same time, I can't fathom why an innocent would insist on literally dressing like a gangbanger.

viiralvx 11y ago
Orrrrr, people can dress however they like without the fear of getting assaulted by police, sexually assaulted, etc. What a close-minded and dangerous view to have, attaching one's perceived morality to their clothing.
swampthinker 11y ago
Are you serious? It's a fucking 49er's jacket and some black pants. That's nowhere near close enough to be considered "dressed as a cholo". It's the fact that some white transplant saw a Hispanic guy wearing a bomber jacket and Snapback hat, and decided that was a suspicious look. That's frankly " walking while Hispanic"
- raldi 11y ago
  Why do you omit the part about him carrying and allegedly pointing around an object that looked just like a handgun?
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nkrisc 11y ago
Wearing 49ers jacket and hat in San Francisco is dressing like a hoodlum?
- mooseburger 11y ago
  By itself, no. Were the jacket and pants oversized? How did he style his hair and facial hair? Lots of ways to signal "I am a thug", even if you aren't.
RVuRnvbM2e 11y ago
> it's not tolerant to judge someone like that based on what they wear correct.
pm24601 11y ago
> Sure, maybe it's not tolerant to judge someone like that based on what they wear, but at the same time, I can't fathom why an innocent would insist on literally dressing like a gangbanger. Can I judge you based on this statement? Note: I am judging you based on your attitude not just how you look, therefore it is not prejudicial. Seriously, why should it matter what someone wears? You may not be friends with them or date them.