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Since when is guilt by association a concept worth supporting?

by imron 11y ago

sp332 11y ago
[Edit: removed paragraph] Whoever did this is personally threatening students on campus. If they were just supporting Trump I would have a lot less problem with this.
- imron 11y ago
  > and that's why Trump is wrong to say that Mexican immigrants are criminals who should all be deported Which is not what Trump said by the way. As I mentioned in another post I don't support Trump (and neither am I even able to vote in US elections) and I have no horse in this race, but if you're going to criticise him, at least do it for things he said, not for exaggerations of what you think he said. > Whoever did this is personally threatening students on campus No, what happened was entirely impersonal, and not threatening in any way unless you perform a large amount of mental and linguistic gymnastics.
  - sp332 11y ago
    Ok, I removed that part. But I have no idea what you mean by "impersonal" when the action is clearly aimed at the Latino students.
    - imron 11y ago
      It is impersonal because it wasn't someone coming and speaking to you personally, nor was it a message that specifically mentioned you. It was just a generic message chalked by some unknown 3rd party, and not specifically directed at anyone. I fail to see how chalking 'trump 2016' is 'clearly aimed at Latino students'? Latinos are not the only group he has marginalised, but even then maybe it was written by someone who supports some other policies of his or by someone who wants to see some fresh names in politics beyond just Clinton/Bush. From what I can tell many of Trump's supporters don't like all his policies either. What they like is that he is unlike any other politician running for office and that he has enough of his own money that his words aren't bought and paid for by others. In debating you learn you cannot make a convincing argument without thoroughly understanding your opponents arguments and lines of reasoning. If you think the only reason people want to vote for Trump is because they are rascist and intend for violence to be committed against certain groups in society, then you will fail to convince most of them not to vote for Trump, because that is not what they want or believe.

Since when is guilt by association a concept worth supporting?

by imron 11y ago

Since when is guilt by association a concept worth supporting?

sp332 11y ago

[Edit: removed paragraph] Whoever did this is personally threatening students on campus. If they were just supporting Trump I would have a lot less problem with this.

imron 11y ago
> and that's why Trump is wrong to say that Mexican immigrants are criminals who should all be deported Which is not what Trump said by the way. As I mentioned in another post I don't support Trump (and neither am I even able to vote in US elections) and I have no horse in this race, but if you're going to criticise him, at least do it for things he said, not for exaggerations of what you think he said. > Whoever did this is personally threatening students on campus No, what happened was entirely impersonal, and not threatening in any way unless you perform a large amount of mental and linguistic gymnastics.
- sp332 11y ago
  Ok, I removed that part. But I have no idea what you mean by "impersonal" when the action is clearly aimed at the Latino students.
  - imron 11y ago
    It is impersonal because it wasn't someone coming and speaking to you personally, nor was it a message that specifically mentioned you. It was just a generic message chalked by some unknown 3rd party, and not specifically directed at anyone. I fail to see how chalking 'trump 2016' is 'clearly aimed at Latino students'? Latinos are not the only group he has marginalised, but even then maybe it was written by someone who supports some other policies of his or by someone who wants to see some fresh names in politics beyond just Clinton/Bush. From what I can tell many of Trump's supporters don't like all his policies either. What they like is that he is unlike any other politician running for office and that he has enough of his own money that his words aren't bought and paid for by others. In debating you learn you cannot make a convincing argument without thoroughly understanding your opponents arguments and lines of reasoning. If you think the only reason people want to vote for Trump is because they are rascist and intend for violence to be committed against certain groups in society, then you will fail to convince most of them not to vote for Trump, because that is not what they want or believe.