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Why do more people not get annoyed with the inefficiency of JS... its just burning CPU cycles and RAM! Even 30MB is ridiculous for this type of App... back in

Why do more people not get annoyed with the inefficiency of JS... its just burning CPU cycles and RAM! Even 30MB is ridiculous for this type of App... back in the DOS days there were similar TSRs using a few KB of RAM.

ygra 11y ago
Those TSRs also had little to no UI, and keep an index for fast searches. Images are probably also a part of it since seemingly no application these days can look like a native application anymore :|
bengotow 11y ago
Ahh the DOS days are long gone I'm afraid... A single 1024x1024 app icon on Mac OS X weighs in at 4MB once it's inflated to raw bitmap data from ICNS / PNG. Throw a couple of those onscreen at once in a list and you're looking at 30MB easy, and that's just in images! Of course, you could leave out the images, but you could also just keep using DOS if RAM is a concern :-)
- unwind 11y ago
  Are icons 1024x1024 now?! And I still think 64x64 sounds kind of big for an icon, heh. I really need to get with the times, and get a lawn I guess.
  - JonnieCache 11y ago
    It's for making them look smooth on high-dpi displays. Those pixels aren't drawn 1:1, obviously.
- clevernickname 11y ago
  1024 x 1024 * 4 bytes per pixel = 4MB. Ok. There's no software engineering problem there, just bafflement at wanting almost as many pixels as would vertically fill a 1080p screen, for a fucking icon.
clevernickname 11y ago
Because the vast majority of these people don't have the slightest clue as to how computers work. No troll, no bully, no malice. They don't know and they don't want to know. They deliberately wish to remain ignorant, as evidenced by the offence they take and rationalization they make whenever someone tries to explain any of the realities of modern hardware to them. WEB SCALE! IO BOUND! Forget assembly, they refuse to learn even the most basic and incredibly important consequences of the memory hierarchy. It's garbage collection and best practices all the way down. I don't want to make fun of people. In fact, I can't make fun of people because the overwhelming majority doesn't appreciate the joke. All I want is for people to give a shit.
- SlashmanX 11y ago
  Or maybe some people just want to make a cool project for themselves and learn stuff along the way.
  - clevernickname 11y ago
    I'm replying to two people upset about the ridiculous resource usage of simple modern programs. Bring it up-thread if you want to defend against literal waste, I'm just talking about why it happens.
    - SlashmanX 11y ago
      You said "The vast majority of these people" which would imply you're talking about the type of person who creates projects like this

ygra 11y ago

Those TSRs also had little to no UI, and keep an index for fast searches. Images are probably also a part of it since seemingly no application these days can look like a native application anymore :|

bengotow 11y ago

Ahh the DOS days are long gone I'm afraid... A single 1024x1024 app icon on Mac OS X weighs in at 4MB once it's inflated to raw bitmap data from ICNS / PNG. Throw a couple of those onscreen at once in a list and you're looking at 30MB easy, and that's just in images! Of course, you could leave out the images, but you could also just keep using DOS if RAM is a concern :-)

unwind 11y ago
Are icons 1024x1024 now?! And I still think 64x64 sounds kind of big for an icon, heh. I really need to get with the times, and get a lawn I guess.
- JonnieCache 11y ago
  It's for making them look smooth on high-dpi displays. Those pixels aren't drawn 1:1, obviously.
clevernickname 11y ago
1024 x 1024 * 4 bytes per pixel = 4MB. Ok. There's no software engineering problem there, just bafflement at wanting almost as many pixels as would vertically fill a 1080p screen, for a fucking icon.

clevernickname 11y ago

Because the vast majority of these people don't have the slightest clue as to how computers work. No troll, no bully, no malice. They don't know and they don't want to know. They deliberately wish to remain ignorant, as evidenced by the offence they take and rationalization they make whenever someone tries to explain any of the realities of modern hardware to them. WEB SCALE! IO BOUND! Forget assembly, they refuse to learn even the most basic and incredibly important consequences of the memory hierarchy. It's garbage collection and best practices all the way down. I don't want to make fun of people. In fact, I can't make fun of people because the overwhelming majority doesn't appreciate the joke. All I want is for people to give a shit.

SlashmanX 11y ago
Or maybe some people just want to make a cool project for themselves and learn stuff along the way.
- clevernickname 11y ago
  I'm replying to two people upset about the ridiculous resource usage of simple modern programs. Bring it up-thread if you want to defend against literal waste, I'm just talking about why it happens.
  - SlashmanX 11y ago
    You said "The vast majority of these people" which would imply you're talking about the type of person who creates projects like this