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> You have no understanding of the first amendment. It applies, of course, only to the government's response to speech. Darn it, I thought we were going to get

> You have no understanding of the first amendment. It applies, of course, only to the government's response to speech. Darn it, I thought we were going to get all the way through this discussion without someone wheeling out that old nag. Once again: Attempting to ban people from unrelated fora based on their political views is not against the letter of the First Amendment to do this. But attempting to ban people from unrelated fora based on their political views is quite certainly against the spirit of the First Amendment.

zorpner 11y ago
What?! That has no support in law, history, or the documents surrounding the creation of the bill of rights. The idea that private fora would be required to accommodate all comers is antithetical to the ideas behind the Enlightenment philosophy which engendered the first amendment. I honestly can't believe someone could be dumb enough to think that the founders would want the government to dictate who people were required to admit to non-public settings. There's no way you're being sincere.
- 13thLetter 11y ago
  You think that the fundamental principle behind the First Amendment and Enlightenment philosophy was that we really needed a natural rights justification to have people whose politics we disagree with ostracized from public life and prevented from earning a living?
greenrd 11y ago
So Donald Trump is against the 1st amendment? Along with any other politician who has people removed from events for political disagreement?
- hga 11y ago
  Along with any other politician who has people removed from events for disrupting them and preventing him from being heard by the other participants? FIFY. If you can cite cases where people silently disagreeing, e.g. with t-shirts or signs that didn't block the view of others, were removed, I'm all ears. But while I haven't watched this closely, I'm under the strong impression the removees were shouting him down, and were often physically violent. To quote Ronald Reagan in an analogous situation, "I am paying for this microphone, Mr. Green".

zorpner 11y ago

What?! That has no support in law, history, or the documents surrounding the creation of the bill of rights. The idea that private fora would be required to accommodate all comers is antithetical to the ideas behind the Enlightenment philosophy which engendered the first amendment. I honestly can't believe someone could be dumb enough to think that the founders would want the government to dictate who people were required to admit to non-public settings. There's no way you're being sincere.

13thLetter 11y ago
You think that the fundamental principle behind the First Amendment and Enlightenment philosophy was that we really needed a natural rights justification to have people whose politics we disagree with ostracized from public life and prevented from earning a living?

greenrd 11y ago

So Donald Trump is against the 1st amendment? Along with any other politician who has people removed from events for political disagreement?

hga 11y ago
Along with any other politician who has people removed from events for disrupting them and preventing him from being heard by the other participants? FIFY. If you can cite cases where people silently disagreeing, e.g. with t-shirts or signs that didn't block the view of others, were removed, I'm all ears. But while I haven't watched this closely, I'm under the strong impression the removees were shouting him down, and were often physically violent. To quote Ronald Reagan in an analogous situation, "I am paying for this microphone, Mr. Green".