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Not to mention how racist/sexist/ageist/etc tipping is. It's incredibly naive to think the people who get tipped the most are the best employees, even if the p

by Laaw 11y ago

Not to mention how racist/sexist/ageist/etc tipping is. It's incredibly naive to think the people who get tipped the most are the best employees, even if the pool ultimately levels out the playing field. What kind of a fucking awful system do we have where hot white girls are better coworkers simply because they're hot white girls, and not because they do a good job?

sridca 11y ago
> What kind of a fucking awful system do we have where hot white girls are better coworkers simply because they're hot white girls, and not because they do a good job? Uh? Is that just your opinion or are there studies to back it?
- Laaw 11y ago
  * https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-read-this-and-still-feel-ok-about-tipping-in-the-united-states/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dar... * https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/21/whats-behind-racial-differences-in-restaurant-tipping/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/21/... * http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/abolish_tipping_it_s_bad_for_servers_customers_and_restaurants.html http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/abol... * http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/restaurants/a23132/why-tipping-should-be-illegal-15603180/ http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/restaurants/a23132/why-tip... * http://www.wagehourlitigation.com/files/2015/10/cornell.pdf http://www.wagehourlitigation.com/files/2015/10/cornell.pdf * https://news.ncsu.edu/2012/04/wms-rusche-restaurants/ https://news.ncsu.edu/2012/04/wms-rusche-restaurants/ * http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2016/02/19/45436/ http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2016/02/19/45436/ * http://business.time.com/2013/11/18/worst-restaurant-customers-ever-use-religion-racism-as-excuses-for-not-tipping-waiters/ http://business.time.com/2013/11/18/worst-restaurant-custome... * http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241 * http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/JFSBR_race_revision_article.pdf http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/JFSBR_race_revision_a... This is not (just) my opinion.
  - sridca 11y ago
    Ah OK, yes that is fucked up. So there are subconscious biases at play in tipping, which is all the more reason to get rid of it. You'd think the social justice folks would be at the forefront of advocating such a thing, but alas ... It is pretty sad that HNers are quick to downvote your post while demonstrating little inquisitiveness.
readams 11y ago
Studies to back it up: http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/customer_racial_discrimination10-30-06.pdf http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/customer_racial_discr...

by Laaw 11y ago

sridca 11y ago

> What kind of a fucking awful system do we have where hot white girls are better coworkers simply because they're hot white girls, and not because they do a good job? Uh? Is that just your opinion or are there studies to back it?

Laaw 11y ago
* https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-read-this-and-still-feel-ok-about-tipping-in-the-united-states/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dar... * https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/21/whats-behind-racial-differences-in-restaurant-tipping/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/01/21/... * http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/abolish_tipping_it_s_bad_for_servers_customers_and_restaurants.html http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/07/abol... * http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/restaurants/a23132/why-tipping-should-be-illegal-15603180/ http://www.esquire.com/food-drink/restaurants/a23132/why-tip... * http://www.wagehourlitigation.com/files/2015/10/cornell.pdf http://www.wagehourlitigation.com/files/2015/10/cornell.pdf * https://news.ncsu.edu/2012/04/wms-rusche-restaurants/ https://news.ncsu.edu/2012/04/wms-rusche-restaurants/ * http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2016/02/19/45436/ http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2016/02/19/45436/ * http://business.time.com/2013/11/18/worst-restaurant-customers-ever-use-religion-racism-as-excuses-for-not-tipping-waiters/ http://business.time.com/2013/11/18/worst-restaurant-custome... * http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1329241 * http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/JFSBR_race_revision_article.pdf http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/JFSBR_race_revision_a... This is not (just) my opinion.
- sridca 11y ago
  Ah OK, yes that is fucked up. So there are subconscious biases at play in tipping, which is all the more reason to get rid of it. You'd think the social justice folks would be at the forefront of advocating such a thing, but alas ... It is pretty sad that HNers are quick to downvote your post while demonstrating little inquisitiveness.

readams 11y ago

Studies to back it up: http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/customer_racial_discrimination10-30-06.pdf http://www.tippingresearch.com/uploads/customer_racial_discr...