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> Every web app I've used has required a painful sign-up process, which is usually where I bail out of the process. Way more friction than an app store install.

by mastazi 11y ago

> Every web app I've used has required a painful sign-up process, which is usually where I bail out of the process. Way more friction than an app store install. Support for password managers like LastPass is one of the areas where Android shines compared to iOS. Also, you seem to imply that most apps downloaded from the app store don't require a sign-up process. I beg to differ. And I note that the sign-up process is even more painful outside of a browser (e.g. outside of the browser you can't use LastPass to generate a random password for you)

sehr 11y ago
For what it's worth, iOS and OS X both have Keychain built into them, basically LastPass but blessed by the OS. ex: http://imgur.com/YJXCWxz http://imgur.com/YJXCWxz
- mastazi 11y ago
  true, but as of now only a handful of native apps support it (e.g. Uber does, but then Uber supports any major password manager including LastPass).
- mastazi 11y ago
  My main argument being that any password manager, be it Lastpass or not, tends to work better on Android because of features like "draw over other apps" which basically means creating a modal window on top of other apps. On Android this action can be initiated by clicking on an icon which lives in the notification drawer, and it can be done in any app, while on iOS it's only possible in an app that supports the iOS 8+ extensibility features (such as Uber)
- hrktb 11y ago
  On iOS Keychain works relatively well for Safari, but needs to be explicitely supported for native apps, which means basically never. Also as far as I know there's no first party app to directly view your keychain items in iOS, which makes it useless when the domain detection fails (it's the most painful when the same service has two clearly different domains for desktop web and mobile web, which is a pretty common case) I use keychain but end up duplicating a lot of entries in a Lastpast like app just to cover these cases.
  - kalleboo 11y ago
    > Also as far as I know there's no first party app to directly view your keychain items in iOS, which makes it useless when the domain detection fails They fixed that in either iOS 8 or 9, there's now a "Other Passwords..." option that lets you browse/free-text search through all your saved passwords.
    - hrktb 11y ago
      Yes, this definitely improved the situation, but I think there is still big limitations on what you have access to. Perhaps some of the entries are not marked as web passwords, and/or it is limited to the passwords Safari has saved (Chrome or firefox passwords would get ignored for instance). I have hundreds of entries in my keychain and "Other Passwords..." won't display most of them. As a behavior, it doesn't bother me much if Safari wouldn't get automatic access to other apps' keychain entries or generic passwords (from a security perspective it's a sensible limitation). Instead I would like a separate keychain app, mirroring the abilities of the OSX app.

by mastazi 11y ago

sehr 11y ago

For what it's worth, iOS and OS X both have Keychain built into them, basically LastPass but blessed by the OS. ex: http://imgur.com/YJXCWxz http://imgur.com/YJXCWxz

mastazi 11y ago
true, but as of now only a handful of native apps support it (e.g. Uber does, but then Uber supports any major password manager including LastPass).
mastazi 11y ago
My main argument being that any password manager, be it Lastpass or not, tends to work better on Android because of features like "draw over other apps" which basically means creating a modal window on top of other apps. On Android this action can be initiated by clicking on an icon which lives in the notification drawer, and it can be done in any app, while on iOS it's only possible in an app that supports the iOS 8+ extensibility features (such as Uber)
hrktb 11y ago
On iOS Keychain works relatively well for Safari, but needs to be explicitely supported for native apps, which means basically never. Also as far as I know there's no first party app to directly view your keychain items in iOS, which makes it useless when the domain detection fails (it's the most painful when the same service has two clearly different domains for desktop web and mobile web, which is a pretty common case) I use keychain but end up duplicating a lot of entries in a Lastpast like app just to cover these cases.
- kalleboo 11y ago
  > Also as far as I know there's no first party app to directly view your keychain items in iOS, which makes it useless when the domain detection fails They fixed that in either iOS 8 or 9, there's now a "Other Passwords..." option that lets you browse/free-text search through all your saved passwords.
  - hrktb 11y ago
    Yes, this definitely improved the situation, but I think there is still big limitations on what you have access to. Perhaps some of the entries are not marked as web passwords, and/or it is limited to the passwords Safari has saved (Chrome or firefox passwords would get ignored for instance). I have hundreds of entries in my keychain and "Other Passwords..." won't display most of them. As a behavior, it doesn't bother me much if Safari wouldn't get automatic access to other apps' keychain entries or generic passwords (from a security perspective it's a sensible limitation). Instead I would like a separate keychain app, mirroring the abilities of the OSX app.