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Nearly all of the comments here are missing the point of this blog post. The author likes Progressive Web apps, they are important to him. He's moving to Androi

by sjenson 11y ago

Nearly all of the comments here are missing the point of this blog post. The author likes Progressive Web apps, they are important to him. He's moving to Android because it supports the web better. That's it. This isn't iOS vs Android and it certainly isn't web vs native. Yes, the article is critical of native apps (and the app store) so I can see how you'd go there but it's a distraction. I see this article as an"I want to use the best mobile web platform possible" argument.

ctvo 11y ago
Exactly. I'm not sure why people are giving anecdotes about switching to iOS from Android like the blog post was about a personal device usage decision vs. a decision to switch developmental platform due to better support for the web. It's one of the better written blog posts, and has convinced me to look at PWAs. The future he outlines with seamless installations and cross-platform fallback IS something I want to get to.
megablast 11y ago
Yes, but he sure did waffle on quite a lot until he got to that point. There was a lot of words with little reward in the beginning.
zippergz 11y ago
The title invites debate about the platforms and pros/cons thereof. If the title were about progressive web apps, I suspect the entire discussion here would be different.
stephendedalus 11y ago
You're absolutely correct. I participated in the above conversation because it's interesting, but you're right that it's missing the point. The original blog post is really thoughtful. I enjoyed it.
cbeach 11y ago
I guess if the original poster had chosen a better title for his HN submission, like "Android's good for progressive web apps" he wouldn't have started a flame war. "I ditched iPhone for Android" is always going to rekindle the iPhone vs Android flame war. The original poster is to blame. It's a pity Android fans always feel the need to compare everything they do to Apple's software and devices. I guess it's the imposter syndrome that comes with being 2nd to the marketplace?
- sjenson 11y ago
  I didn't read it that way at all. He's calling out that Apple isn't doing a great job supporting the web and this fact is so important to him that he's willing to switch platforms. And 'blaming the poster' is classic victim shaming. Not reading a post and then flaming based on the title is exactly what the web tends to do far too easily (and what we need much less of)
  - cbeach 11y ago
    It's completely subjective that you and the poster think "Apple isn't doing a great job on the web" - for one, I think they're doing brilliantly. Safari is extremely fast and well-optimised on iOS, certainly a better experience whenever I've compared iPhones and Androids of similar vintage side-by-side. And I'm relieved that web gizmos like bluetooth support aren't built into iOS Safari. I can't think of a more inviting attack vector.
    - sjenson 11y ago
      You clearly don't do web development do you... I'm very supportive of Apple and happy that they are starting to finally update Safari more quickly but the reason OP published this article is that there is a long list of modern web features (going through the W3C) that Apple is severely behind on. I totally agree with you that Safari is a'good, fast browser' so from the your consumer point of view, it's quite nice. But it is lagging behind standards that are being implemented on nearly every browser BUT Safari. Again, this is hopefully changing, but it's this slowness that motivated the OP.
nilkn 11y ago
You're correct, and I partially blame the author of the article. He chose a very controversial and, in my opinion, incredibly counter-productive way to frame the discussion of progressive web apps.

by sjenson 11y ago

ctvo 11y ago

Exactly. I'm not sure why people are giving anecdotes about switching to iOS from Android like the blog post was about a personal device usage decision vs. a decision to switch developmental platform due to better support for the web. It's one of the better written blog posts, and has convinced me to look at PWAs. The future he outlines with seamless installations and cross-platform fallback IS something I want to get to.

megablast 11y ago

Yes, but he sure did waffle on quite a lot until he got to that point. There was a lot of words with little reward in the beginning.

zippergz 11y ago

The title invites debate about the platforms and pros/cons thereof. If the title were about progressive web apps, I suspect the entire discussion here would be different.

stephendedalus 11y ago

You're absolutely correct. I participated in the above conversation because it's interesting, but you're right that it's missing the point. The original blog post is really thoughtful. I enjoyed it.

cbeach 11y ago

I guess if the original poster had chosen a better title for his HN submission, like "Android's good for progressive web apps" he wouldn't have started a flame war. "I ditched iPhone for Android" is always going to rekindle the iPhone vs Android flame war. The original poster is to blame. It's a pity Android fans always feel the need to compare everything they do to Apple's software and devices. I guess it's the imposter syndrome that comes with being 2nd to the marketplace?

sjenson 11y ago
I didn't read it that way at all. He's calling out that Apple isn't doing a great job supporting the web and this fact is so important to him that he's willing to switch platforms. And 'blaming the poster' is classic victim shaming. Not reading a post and then flaming based on the title is exactly what the web tends to do far too easily (and what we need much less of)
- cbeach 11y ago
  It's completely subjective that you and the poster think "Apple isn't doing a great job on the web" - for one, I think they're doing brilliantly. Safari is extremely fast and well-optimised on iOS, certainly a better experience whenever I've compared iPhones and Androids of similar vintage side-by-side. And I'm relieved that web gizmos like bluetooth support aren't built into iOS Safari. I can't think of a more inviting attack vector.
  - sjenson 11y ago
    You clearly don't do web development do you... I'm very supportive of Apple and happy that they are starting to finally update Safari more quickly but the reason OP published this article is that there is a long list of modern web features (going through the W3C) that Apple is severely behind on. I totally agree with you that Safari is a'good, fast browser' so from the your consumer point of view, it's quite nice. But it is lagging behind standards that are being implemented on nearly every browser BUT Safari. Again, this is hopefully changing, but it's this slowness that motivated the OP.

nilkn 11y ago

You're correct, and I partially blame the author of the article. He chose a very controversial and, in my opinion, incredibly counter-productive way to frame the discussion of progressive web apps.