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> Yeah Google owns my life, but I wouldn't feel better if Apple owned it instead Why? Apple makes money selling you hardware. Google makes money selling you to

> Yeah Google owns my life, but I wouldn't feel better if Apple owned it instead Why? Apple makes money selling you hardware. Google makes money selling you to advertisers. I'm not comfortable with any company figuratively "owning" my life, but if I have to choose, the one that isn't built on scummy ads will get my money every single time.

criddell 11y ago
> Google makes money selling you to advertisers. That's a little misleading. Google makes money showing you ads. It's not like I can call up Google and buy billyhoffman's data.
- threeseed 11y ago
  Governments can however. And with Apple they have a demonstrated history of protecting privacy at any cost. Google not so much.
  - criddell 11y ago
    Sure, there's a chance for government abuse of my data, no argument. There are also significant benefits to me for sharing with Google. For me (and I suspect for most Americans), the real benefits exceed the likely costs. I worry far more about things like getting into a car wreck, falling in the shower, and my crappy diet.
  - chetanahuja 11y ago
    Umm... https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/legalprocess/ https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/l... http://images.apple.com/privacy/docs/government-information-requests-20150914.pdf http://images.apple.com/privacy/docs/government-information-... There's not that much difference between what the two of them provide to governments as a response to legal requests. Also note that Apple continues to operate in China while Google refused to cooperate with the government there and gave up huge business potential in that country.
mastazi 11y ago
Whenever I try to get iCloud actually working [1] I kind of wish Apple was actually interested in owning my data ;-) Rants apart, this fact: > Apple makes money selling you hardware. Google makes money selling you to advertisers. has a direct consequence: cloud services made by Apple are generally inferior compared to those made by Google[2]. Now of course if you value privacy over everything you might prefer to save your data locally rather than in the cloud, but I have too many devices lost or broken to go that way. [1] https://support.apple.com/kb/index?q=backup+could+not+be+completed&src=globalnav_support&type=organic&page=search&locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/index?q=backup+could+not+be+com... [2] http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-apple-iphone-ios-mac-osx-app-problems http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-appl...
- mastazi 11y ago
  Why the downvote? I don't mind but care to elaborate?

criddell 11y ago

> Google makes money selling you to advertisers. That's a little misleading. Google makes money showing you ads. It's not like I can call up Google and buy billyhoffman's data.

threeseed 11y ago
Governments can however. And with Apple they have a demonstrated history of protecting privacy at any cost. Google not so much.
- criddell 11y ago
  Sure, there's a chance for government abuse of my data, no argument. There are also significant benefits to me for sharing with Google. For me (and I suspect for most Americans), the real benefits exceed the likely costs. I worry far more about things like getting into a car wreck, falling in the shower, and my crappy diet.
- chetanahuja 11y ago
  Umm... https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/legalprocess/ https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/l... http://images.apple.com/privacy/docs/government-information-requests-20150914.pdf http://images.apple.com/privacy/docs/government-information-... There's not that much difference between what the two of them provide to governments as a response to legal requests. Also note that Apple continues to operate in China while Google refused to cooperate with the government there and gave up huge business potential in that country.

mastazi 11y ago

Whenever I try to get iCloud actually working [1] I kind of wish Apple was actually interested in owning my data ;-) Rants apart, this fact: > Apple makes money selling you hardware. Google makes money selling you to advertisers. has a direct consequence: cloud services made by Apple are generally inferior compared to those made by Google[2]. Now of course if you value privacy over everything you might prefer to save your data locally rather than in the cloud, but I have too many devices lost or broken to go that way. [1] https://support.apple.com/kb/index?q=backup+could+not+be+completed&src=globalnav_support&type=organic&page=search&locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/index?q=backup+could+not+be+com... [2] http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-apple-iphone-ios-mac-osx-app-problems http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/3/10900612/walt-mossberg-appl...

mastazi 11y ago
Why the downvote? I don't mind but care to elaborate?