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"I know no one likes to hear this but rewards are generally about risk" No, they're not. They're about value. If you're the one actually doing the work to make

by st3v3r 11y ago

"I know no one likes to hear this but rewards are generally about risk" No, they're not. They're about value. If you're the one actually doing the work to make the company money, why shouldn't you be getting the bulk of the reward? The idea that people should be rewarded more just for simply having money is stupid.

arca_vorago 11y ago
This. It infuriates me when people casually dismiss workers claims of value by saying they didnt put any money in, so they deserve little. To me, my time is more valuable than you will ever be able to pay me for, but Im willing to take what I consider a huge paycut to work on something I enjoy and believe I can bring value to. To give a good example of this disparity in value eatimates, I have in the past done a lot of consulting work for law firms. In the process, I made friends with quite a few paralegals and secretaries. At least two I know locally are bringing in over 1mil a year by their own work product, mostly seperate from their bosses. neither of them have gotten a bonus or raise for it. Why? Because all the partners thing they have most of the risk (somewhat true) and therefor they should get it all. In reality though, while the risk itself is largely the partners, the value is not, and by failing to properly reward value contributions, they create a really fucked up employment atmosphere where people arent nearly as motivated to do all that work for so little reward. So for all the ones I know who do produce a lot of value and fail to get compensated, I know more who could bring that level but chose not to because they simply have no incentive. As a side note, I also recently found out that the office managers of various firms will call around and discuss salaries so that they can all keep position x at roughly the same pay in the entire city, so that people dont jump ship to other firms. When I said it seemed illegal, the secretaries said yeah, but what are you going to do, sue all the people in town who do it when they are the ones who are "upstanding members of the community, know all the judges, and have all the money?". This disparity of power is the problem, and I see it constantly. What annoys me the most is all the people who tell people to just be happy they even have a job, as if the oppressed should be happy and thankful for their wage slavery. Class warfare is real, ongoing, and the rich are winning.
greggman 11y ago
The workers got paid. You said you'd do the job for $XX. Someone else took your work and sold it for $XXXX. You don't therefore deserve some cut of that sale. You sold your work for $XX. No one forced you into that. If you wanted a bigger cut you shouldn't have negotiated with someone to do the work for a fee. If you ask for a bigger cut of the sale you'll most likely have to give up some or most of the up front fee because otherwise you aren't taking any risk the sale won't happen.

by st3v3r 11y ago

arca_vorago 11y ago

This. It infuriates me when people casually dismiss workers claims of value by saying they didnt put any money in, so they deserve little. To me, my time is more valuable than you will ever be able to pay me for, but Im willing to take what I consider a huge paycut to work on something I enjoy and believe I can bring value to. To give a good example of this disparity in value eatimates, I have in the past done a lot of consulting work for law firms. In the process, I made friends with quite a few paralegals and secretaries. At least two I know locally are bringing in over 1mil a year by their own work product, mostly seperate from their bosses. neither of them have gotten a bonus or raise for it. Why? Because all the partners thing they have most of the risk (somewhat true) and therefor they should get it all. In reality though, while the risk itself is largely the partners, the value is not, and by failing to properly reward value contributions, they create a really fucked up employment atmosphere where people arent nearly as motivated to do all that work for so little reward. So for all the ones I know who do produce a lot of value and fail to get compensated, I know more who could bring that level but chose not to because they simply have no incentive. As a side note, I also recently found out that the office managers of various firms will call around and discuss salaries so that they can all keep position x at roughly the same pay in the entire city, so that people dont jump ship to other firms. When I said it seemed illegal, the secretaries said yeah, but what are you going to do, sue all the people in town who do it when they are the ones who are "upstanding members of the community, know all the judges, and have all the money?". This disparity of power is the problem, and I see it constantly. What annoys me the most is all the people who tell people to just be happy they even have a job, as if the oppressed should be happy and thankful for their wage slavery. Class warfare is real, ongoing, and the rich are winning.

greggman 11y ago

The workers got paid. You said you'd do the job for $XX. Someone else took your work and sold it for $XXXX. You don't therefore deserve some cut of that sale. You sold your work for $XX. No one forced you into that. If you wanted a bigger cut you shouldn't have negotiated with someone to do the work for a fee. If you ask for a bigger cut of the sale you'll most likely have to give up some or most of the up front fee because otherwise you aren't taking any risk the sale won't happen.