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I somehow feel canonical/ubuntu should be valued more, at least not too far from Redhat, they have decent software, probably just need a "better" CEO/CFO to mon

by ausjke 11y ago

I somehow feel canonical/ubuntu should be valued more, at least not too far from Redhat, they have decent software, probably just need a "better" CEO/CFO to monetize what it has so far. Meanwhile that will drive many freemium users back to Debian when revenue becomes the priority, as what Redhat did in the past.

cwyers 11y ago
Valuation is based on revenue, not some abstract notion of their software quality.
cyphar 11y ago
SUSE is also another company in this space, and I believe we are incredibly focused on being a part of the OpenSUSE community. And we also have decent software, almost all of which is under free licenses. :D
- op00to 11y ago
  Red Hat is focused on contributing to all its upstream communities, and their software is also generally very good, open, and almost exclusively libre.
  - cyphar 11y ago
    I know, I was just mentioning that SUSE is another company with a similar repertoire.
justinclift 11y ago
Unlike Red Hat, Canonical are a bad company (ethics wise), mostly sponging off Open Source projects. :( Very few in the Open Source Community would cry if they were to disappear.
- jcastro 11y ago
  Please. Canonical has written millions of lines of Free Software code.
  - justinclift 11y ago
    And they've being unethical many times as well. I have personal experience of this. :(
    - EGreg 11y ago
      So what is the code of ethics for this industry? And which large organization upholds it the best?
    - xemoka 11y ago
      Care to share your experiences?
      - justinclift 11y ago
        I'd rather not get sued. :( Can discuss privately though, if it's relevant to you and you're not employed/contracted/related to Canonical.
- ausjke 11y ago
  I don't know how bad it is, however I use Ubuntu on my desktop daily for free and I appreciate that, I don't see Redhat provides that though(ever since Redhat dumped Desktop users after Redhat 8/9 release many years back).
  - lmz 11y ago
    Fedora? Any of the RHEL recompiles?
    - derekp7 11y ago
      Fedora would be great if they did periodic LTS releases -- and it wouldn't really take much effort, as they sort of do this now by basing a given version of RHEL off a given Fedora release. So the work that goes into keeping RHEL 7 up to date could be applied to Fedora 19 without too much hassle.
      - tP5n 11y ago
        huh? Isn't that what CentOS is meant for, more or less?
        derekp7 11y ago
        Fedora tends to have a lot more available for it then RHEL/CentOS. However adding EPEL to CentOS does help a bit though.
    - justinclift 11y ago
      derekp7: Sounds like the CentOS desktop/workstation builds would be more your kind of thing?
  - justinclift 11y ago
    Hmmmm, there is Fedora, which is Red Hat's kind of equivalent, and also CentOS. Guessing you're already aware of those and they don't work as well for you?
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- bemused 11y ago
  agreed, but not sure if Red Hats embrace&extend is any better - all corporate entities seeking too much influence/power in the oss ecosystem should be carefully watched
  - ausjke 11y ago
    At least the systemd initiated by a Redhat employee was a bit too intrusive to the OSS ecosystem in my opinion.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  Canonical is more ham fisted, but RH seem more and more insidious. If you look at some of the more controversial maintainers of various Linux related projects, they are on RH payroll (but you have to dig a big to learn that, as quite often they are presented as individuals). This means that communication and coordination between them can happen across corporate channels rather than public ones, and only reach public channels after they have started applying the patches. Look at cgroups for example. Initial development was done by two guys out of Google. But now its maintainer is on RH payroll. And he has upped and decided that it needs to be reworked to have one user space manager. And who else but another RH employee has such a manager ready and waiting? While a third party project has to scramble to catch up with the changes.
  - groovy2shoes 11y ago
    Ulrich Drepper, Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, ... Back in high school, I used to look up to RedHat. Having attended NC State (RedHat HQ was on campus when I attended), it was my dream job to work on open source software at RedHat. But now, I hate RedHat. They have too much control and influence over the Linux ecosystem, and aren't exactly acting in everyone's best interests. I strongly dislike the direction Linux has been heading in for the last few years, and RedHat is largely (though not single-handedly) responsible for that.

by ausjke 11y ago

cwyers 11y ago

Valuation is based on revenue, not some abstract notion of their software quality.

cyphar 11y ago

SUSE is also another company in this space, and I believe we are incredibly focused on being a part of the OpenSUSE community. And we also have decent software, almost all of which is under free licenses. :D

op00to 11y ago
Red Hat is focused on contributing to all its upstream communities, and their software is also generally very good, open, and almost exclusively libre.
- cyphar 11y ago
  I know, I was just mentioning that SUSE is another company with a similar repertoire.

justinclift 11y ago

Unlike Red Hat, Canonical are a bad company (ethics wise), mostly sponging off Open Source projects. :( Very few in the Open Source Community would cry if they were to disappear.

jcastro 11y ago
Please. Canonical has written millions of lines of Free Software code.
- justinclift 11y ago
  And they've being unethical many times as well. I have personal experience of this. :(
  - EGreg 11y ago
    So what is the code of ethics for this industry? And which large organization upholds it the best?
  - xemoka 11y ago
    Care to share your experiences?
    - justinclift 11y ago
      I'd rather not get sued. :( Can discuss privately though, if it's relevant to you and you're not employed/contracted/related to Canonical.
ausjke 11y ago
I don't know how bad it is, however I use Ubuntu on my desktop daily for free and I appreciate that, I don't see Redhat provides that though(ever since Redhat dumped Desktop users after Redhat 8/9 release many years back).
- lmz 11y ago
  Fedora? Any of the RHEL recompiles?
  - derekp7 11y ago
    Fedora would be great if they did periodic LTS releases -- and it wouldn't really take much effort, as they sort of do this now by basing a given version of RHEL off a given Fedora release. So the work that goes into keeping RHEL 7 up to date could be applied to Fedora 19 without too much hassle.
    - tP5n 11y ago
      huh? Isn't that what CentOS is meant for, more or less?
      - derekp7 11y ago
        Fedora tends to have a lot more available for it then RHEL/CentOS. However adding EPEL to CentOS does help a bit though.
  - justinclift 11y ago
    derekp7: Sounds like the CentOS desktop/workstation builds would be more your kind of thing?
- justinclift 11y ago
  Hmmmm, there is Fedora, which is Red Hat's kind of equivalent, and also CentOS. Guessing you're already aware of those and they don't work as well for you?
- 11y ago
bemused 11y ago
agreed, but not sure if Red Hats embrace&extend is any better - all corporate entities seeking too much influence/power in the oss ecosystem should be carefully watched
- ausjke 11y ago
  At least the systemd initiated by a Redhat employee was a bit too intrusive to the OSS ecosystem in my opinion.
digi_owl 11y ago
Canonical is more ham fisted, but RH seem more and more insidious. If you look at some of the more controversial maintainers of various Linux related projects, they are on RH payroll (but you have to dig a big to learn that, as quite often they are presented as individuals). This means that communication and coordination between them can happen across corporate channels rather than public ones, and only reach public channels after they have started applying the patches. Look at cgroups for example. Initial development was done by two guys out of Google. But now its maintainer is on RH payroll. And he has upped and decided that it needs to be reworked to have one user space manager. And who else but another RH employee has such a manager ready and waiting? While a third party project has to scramble to catch up with the changes.
- groovy2shoes 11y ago
  Ulrich Drepper, Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, ... Back in high school, I used to look up to RedHat. Having attended NC State (RedHat HQ was on campus when I attended), it was my dream job to work on open source software at RedHat. But now, I hate RedHat. They have too much control and influence over the Linux ecosystem, and aren't exactly acting in everyone's best interests. I strongly dislike the direction Linux has been heading in for the last few years, and RedHat is largely (though not single-handedly) responsible for that.