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> So the idea that you can’t do Flash in a mobile browser is just not the case as you can see. Nobody that I know of has claimed otherwise. The claim is that

by tvon 17y ago

> So the idea that you can’t do Flash in a mobile browser is just not the case as you can see. Nobody that I know of has claimed otherwise. The claim is that you wouldn't want to run it because of stability, performance and battery life issues. > In my opinion Apple do not like Flash and AIR because it is a major threat to revenue from App Store sales. That's a common opinion, but I don't see how it holds up. If you're talking about free Flash games the obvious competition would be free iPhone games which Apple makes no money off of. If you're talking about ad-supported Flash games then the competition would be ad-supported iPhone games, which Apple makes no money off of. > The other aspect of Flash that worries Apple is obviously control. They have none over that content. So if someone wanted to produce a strip poker app with full nudity, for example, they could, and have it running full screen on an Apple device. That's also reaching. They have no control over any webapp you build either, and you could certainly pull off a strip poker game online without flash. You could even use real people.

bad_user 17y ago
> If you're talking about free Flash games the obvious competition would be free iPhone games which Apple makes no money off of. If you're talking about ad-supported Flash games then the competition would be ad-supported iPhone games, which Apple makes no money off of. Apple may not get any money on freebies, but those freebies are still distributed through the iTunes Store, you still need to pay the $99 entrance fee, and you still have to own a Mac to develop iPhone software. That's control they are going to great lengths to keep.
- rimantas 17y ago
  Interesting, I did not know that Adobe gives Flash development tools for free. Where can I download my free copy?
  - Spikefu 17y ago
    They don't give away the IDE, but the SDK and command line compiler is available here: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sdk http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sd... There are also a few open source editor/IDE options here: http://osflash.org/projects http://osflash.org/projects Particularly http://www.flashdevelop.org/wikidocs/index.php?title=Main_Page http://www.flashdevelop.org/wikidocs/index.php?title=Main_Pa...
    - rimantas 17y ago
      you can get Xcode and iPhone SDK for free too and directly from Apple.
radley 17y ago
Your perception of what Flash can do is very limited. Case in point: almost all publishers use Adobe InDesign to create their publications, which thus translates really well into multimedia magazines (such as the Wired demo). Flash is also the core platform for RIAs wherein companies and services can provide rich media interfaces. Inasmuch as HTML/JS is popular on HNews, designers still use Adobe products almost exclusively, so Flash-based RIAs are going to be the most interesting to experience (and easiest to publish).
- radley 17y ago
  Oh yeah, more anti-Flash karma tax. Thanks, HTML5 fanatics.
  - tvon 17y ago
    It's not as if "advantages of Flash" comments never get up-voted, or as if "why you should use HTML5 instead" comments never get down-voted. Besides, a -1 is hardly worth complaining about. It's not like this is one of those sites where drive-by down-voters will keep showing up for weeks after the discussion has ended, voting you into the basement.

by tvon 17y ago

bad_user 17y ago

> If you're talking about free Flash games the obvious competition would be free iPhone games which Apple makes no money off of. If you're talking about ad-supported Flash games then the competition would be ad-supported iPhone games, which Apple makes no money off of. Apple may not get any money on freebies, but those freebies are still distributed through the iTunes Store, you still need to pay the $99 entrance fee, and you still have to own a Mac to develop iPhone software. That's control they are going to great lengths to keep.

rimantas 17y ago
Interesting, I did not know that Adobe gives Flash development tools for free. Where can I download my free copy?
- Spikefu 17y ago
  They don't give away the IDE, but the SDK and command line compiler is available here: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sdk http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sd... There are also a few open source editor/IDE options here: http://osflash.org/projects http://osflash.org/projects Particularly http://www.flashdevelop.org/wikidocs/index.php?title=Main_Page http://www.flashdevelop.org/wikidocs/index.php?title=Main_Pa...
  - rimantas 17y ago
    you can get Xcode and iPhone SDK for free too and directly from Apple.

radley 17y ago

Your perception of what Flash can do is very limited. Case in point: almost all publishers use Adobe InDesign to create their publications, which thus translates really well into multimedia magazines (such as the Wired demo). Flash is also the core platform for RIAs wherein companies and services can provide rich media interfaces. Inasmuch as HTML/JS is popular on HNews, designers still use Adobe products almost exclusively, so Flash-based RIAs are going to be the most interesting to experience (and easiest to publish).

radley 17y ago
Oh yeah, more anti-Flash karma tax. Thanks, HTML5 fanatics.
- tvon 17y ago
  It's not as if "advantages of Flash" comments never get up-voted, or as if "why you should use HTML5 instead" comments never get down-voted. Besides, a -1 is hardly worth complaining about. It's not like this is one of those sites where drive-by down-voters will keep showing up for weeks after the discussion has ended, voting you into the basement.