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Can you elaborate? I'm interested in why you'd take that stance.

by sanj 11y ago

fratlas 11y ago
Hedging my bet that he probably enjoys the mechanics of a combustion engine. This is my anti-electric friends stance.
mytochar 11y ago
I'm not the author; but, 1) "I can't work on it, myself" 2) "It'll have terrible resale value" considering the life of batteries 3) It's definitely going to have a computer in it, and probably be phoning home all the time and that data could be siphoned to find out where I've been and how fast I've gone. 4) Cars with modern computers are scary easy to hack 5) I just don't drive 6) I haven't driven an electric car and so I have biases 7) I do very long road trips with very short pit-stops. Electric cars will never be able to do that (for some size of 'ever') 8) I'm over 60, and the technology won't be where I want it by the time I'm likely to leave this earth. 9) (added) I don't think we'll need to own electric cars. I think Uber or some other company will send out electric cars to us that will drive autonomously to their destination, and I think this will happen before I need to buy a new car. There's several potential reasons.
- aeliusadrianus 11y ago
  2) terrible resale value / battery life: "A survey of 80 European Model S owners has demonstrated that, on average, most Tesla Model S batteries seem to degrade only 5% after 30,000 miles (50,000 km). After that point, degradation appears to slow down, showing very little further degradation for the next 30,000 miles." [0] 4) Cars with computers: what are the alternatives? 7) Short pit-stops: 30 minutes for 170 miles at a supercharger, for free (estimated to cost Tesla around $2K over the lifetime of the vehicle). The company expects to reduce this to 10 minutes in the next few years. [1] 9) Car ownership: Good point. But the low cost of fuel and maintenance will accelerate the switch to EVs. This way, you might use them and we might even own them - provided that we launch local cooperative fleets to replace Uber. [0] http://electrek.co/2015/05/08/tesla-model-s-battery-degradation-shown-to-level-off-at-5-after-30000-miles/ http://electrek.co/2015/05/08/tesla-model-s-battery-degradat... [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/516876/forget-battery-swapping-tesla-aims-to-charge-electric-cars-in-five-minutes/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/516876/forget-battery-swa...
ams6110 11y ago
They don't suit my needs. Range and recharge times are the killers.
- sremani 11y ago
  Have you considered PHEVs like Volt, Outlander PHEV (due this year), Pacifica Hybrid, Sonata Hybrid etc. For lot of people picking a PHEV is a good foray into electric vehicles instead of pure electrics. You have limited AER (all electric range) but Range and Refill themselves are not a trouble. Its not even hard to get 100 mpg on a Volt, if your total commute to work is about 40 miles.
  - ams6110 11y ago
    I have not really looked at these, no. Mainly because I don't need a new car right now. Though the complexity of a hybrid compared to either a conventional or pure electric is somewhat of a strike against them for me.

Can you elaborate? I'm interested in why you'd take that stance.

by sanj 11y ago

Can you elaborate? I'm interested in why you'd take that stance.

fratlas 11y ago

Hedging my bet that he probably enjoys the mechanics of a combustion engine. This is my anti-electric friends stance.

mytochar 11y ago

I'm not the author; but, 1) "I can't work on it, myself" 2) "It'll have terrible resale value" considering the life of batteries 3) It's definitely going to have a computer in it, and probably be phoning home all the time and that data could be siphoned to find out where I've been and how fast I've gone. 4) Cars with modern computers are scary easy to hack 5) I just don't drive 6) I haven't driven an electric car and so I have biases 7) I do very long road trips with very short pit-stops. Electric cars will never be able to do that (for some size of 'ever') 8) I'm over 60, and the technology won't be where I want it by the time I'm likely to leave this earth. 9) (added) I don't think we'll need to own electric cars. I think Uber or some other company will send out electric cars to us that will drive autonomously to their destination, and I think this will happen before I need to buy a new car. There's several potential reasons.

aeliusadrianus 11y ago
2) terrible resale value / battery life: "A survey of 80 European Model S owners has demonstrated that, on average, most Tesla Model S batteries seem to degrade only 5% after 30,000 miles (50,000 km). After that point, degradation appears to slow down, showing very little further degradation for the next 30,000 miles." [0] 4) Cars with computers: what are the alternatives? 7) Short pit-stops: 30 minutes for 170 miles at a supercharger, for free (estimated to cost Tesla around $2K over the lifetime of the vehicle). The company expects to reduce this to 10 minutes in the next few years. [1] 9) Car ownership: Good point. But the low cost of fuel and maintenance will accelerate the switch to EVs. This way, you might use them and we might even own them - provided that we launch local cooperative fleets to replace Uber. [0] http://electrek.co/2015/05/08/tesla-model-s-battery-degradation-shown-to-level-off-at-5-after-30000-miles/ http://electrek.co/2015/05/08/tesla-model-s-battery-degradat... [1] https://www.technologyreview.com/s/516876/forget-battery-swapping-tesla-aims-to-charge-electric-cars-in-five-minutes/ https://www.technologyreview.com/s/516876/forget-battery-swa...

ams6110 11y ago

They don't suit my needs. Range and recharge times are the killers.

sremani 11y ago
Have you considered PHEVs like Volt, Outlander PHEV (due this year), Pacifica Hybrid, Sonata Hybrid etc. For lot of people picking a PHEV is a good foray into electric vehicles instead of pure electrics. You have limited AER (all electric range) but Range and Refill themselves are not a trouble. Its not even hard to get 100 mpg on a Volt, if your total commute to work is about 40 miles.
- ams6110 11y ago
  I have not really looked at these, no. Mainly because I don't need a new car right now. Though the complexity of a hybrid compared to either a conventional or pure electric is somewhat of a strike against them for me.