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> People said the same thing about the S. I didn't. > Tesla is the height of cool in the car industry at the moment. If people will buy a brand new ~$20-25k g
by fweespee_ch 11y ago
> People said the same thing about the S.
I didn't.
> Tesla is the height of cool in the car industry at the moment. If people will buy a brand new ~$20-25k generic car, you don't think they'll spend a few thousand extra to get the hot new thing, the 2017 car version of what the iPhone was in 2007? Especially when it means no more paying for gas, and having autopilot?
1) I said it won't be market dominant beyond the first year, at most.
2) It'll have very limited self-driving features, that isn't the same thing as autopilot.
> People said the same thing about the S. And now we have a car that's going to be $28k after tax rebate, before add-ons. Idk about you but I know a very large number of people who are willing to spend more than they ought to on a car they can only narrowly afford just because.
I'm genuinely amused how quick you are to defend the fact people exist rather than trying to provide any kind of evidence they exist in such massive quantities.
- will_hughes 11y ago> It'll have very limited self-driving features, that isn't the same thing as autopilot. Do you have a source for this? Because everything I've read to date on the Model 3 indicates that it will have Autopilot. Although, like the Model S/X, you will probably have to pay for the features to be enabled (the hardware is still present).
- ghaff 11y agoYou have to define your terms. To the degree that autopilot = adaptive cruise control/lane keeping on highways, sure. But no one's claiming door-to-door dispatch and delivery anytime soon.
- will_hughes 11y agoI'm clearly referring to the system that Tesla calls Autopilot. This is not a Level 4 Autonomous car[1], as they've made clear repeatedly and why they use the term Autopilot. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Classification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#Classification
- fweespee_ch 11y agoHow Tesla defines autopilot isn't how I would define it. It is why I use the lowercase version of the word rather than a pronoun. A level 3 or 4 autonomous car is a true autopilot. Tesla is level 2.
- will_hughes 11y agoThe reason Tesla used the word 'autopilot' is because the system is much like the behaviour of autopilot systems in Aircraft - they can handle throttle and navigation, and if you set it up right and in the right conditions/environment, it can land itself. The Pilot is always required to monitor the systems and be able to take control - so the analogy to a Level 2 autonomy car system like Tesla's Autopilot is quite correct. Anyway, my point is if you keep talking about Tesla's lack of autopilot - regardless of the case - you're going to just confuse most people, because clearly they do have that. If you want to refer to Level 4 systems, perhaps 'driverless' or 'self driving' are better terms to use.