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> Wrong, that is the prototype of a knee-jerk action. No it isn't; and he made that clear, he objects to their actions and is taking action of his own. > Last

> Wrong, that is the prototype of a knee-jerk action. No it isn't; and he made that clear, he objects to their actions and is taking action of his own. > Last but not least, whining about it in public in the hope "something will happen" is pathetic. No, it's called protesting, and it's exactly the correct thing to do. Calling it pathetic is itself pathetic. > hat I'd suggest (though now it is too late): Rename the module to comply with legal claims, put up a new module under the old name that throws errors when called that describe the reason so developers see it and put shame on the threatening company/lawyers. You're completely missing his point if you think this suggestion is at all reasonable.

oldmanjay 11y ago
He made it clear he doesn't want to consider it a knee jerk, which has approximately zero relationship to whether it actually is. Protesting trademark law sounds like a lot of useless fun. It may be the "correct" thing to do, but it will have no result.
- st3v3r 11y ago
  He's not protesting trademark law; he's protesting that NPM just handed over his module to someone else.
- gnaritas 11y ago
  > He made it clear he doesn't want to consider it a knee jerk, which has approximately zero relationship to whether it actually is. A knee jerk reaction is an immediate unthinking emotional reaction; when you detail out your thought process in a lengthy well articulated blog post to explain your actions, it isn't knee jerk by definition. There was nothing at all unthinking about his actions or his protest. Point in fact, when someone explains to you why something isn't a knee jerk reaction, it automatically isn't. His making it clear has an approximately 100% relationship to the fact that it isn't.
MaulingMonkey 11y ago
> You're completely missing his point if you think this suggestion is at all reasonable. Is this the kik we're talking about? http://dev.kik.com/ http://dev.kik.com/ https://trademarks.justia.com/858/93/kik-85893307.html https://trademarks.justia.com/858/93/kik-85893307.html Is the point that kik should just give up on their company trademark?
- linksbro 11y ago
  Just because they've trademarked "kik" doesn't give them complete control over all instances of that 3 letter string in the world. See the 8 factors of trademark infringement, and trademark law in general; this is just a kik lawyer being threat happy.
  - gariany 11y ago
    +1 also US Trademark != the whole world. NPM should have handle this better!
    - detaro 11y ago
      US trademark is what's dangerous to NPM Inc., the US company running NPM. We don't know anything about how they "handled" it before it came to this, except that they did decide against the article author. What should they have done differently? It's not good that NPM-the-piece-of-infrastructure is vulnerable to this, maybe a registry like this shouldn't be under control of a single company, but we don't know enough to decide what options NPM Inc-the-company had. I hope they clean up/better communicate their policies around this, once they have them figured out (e.g. the package dispute page doesn't discuss trademarks).
      - gnaritas 11y ago
        > What should they have done differently? Not given them control over his code just because it had their name on it. They could have taken it down, but they didn't, they just gave some company ownership of his module, not cool.

oldmanjay 11y ago

He made it clear he doesn't want to consider it a knee jerk, which has approximately zero relationship to whether it actually is. Protesting trademark law sounds like a lot of useless fun. It may be the "correct" thing to do, but it will have no result.

st3v3r 11y ago
He's not protesting trademark law; he's protesting that NPM just handed over his module to someone else.
gnaritas 11y ago
> He made it clear he doesn't want to consider it a knee jerk, which has approximately zero relationship to whether it actually is. A knee jerk reaction is an immediate unthinking emotional reaction; when you detail out your thought process in a lengthy well articulated blog post to explain your actions, it isn't knee jerk by definition. There was nothing at all unthinking about his actions or his protest. Point in fact, when someone explains to you why something isn't a knee jerk reaction, it automatically isn't. His making it clear has an approximately 100% relationship to the fact that it isn't.

MaulingMonkey 11y ago

> You're completely missing his point if you think this suggestion is at all reasonable. Is this the kik we're talking about? http://dev.kik.com/ http://dev.kik.com/ https://trademarks.justia.com/858/93/kik-85893307.html https://trademarks.justia.com/858/93/kik-85893307.html Is the point that kik should just give up on their company trademark?

linksbro 11y ago
Just because they've trademarked "kik" doesn't give them complete control over all instances of that 3 letter string in the world. See the 8 factors of trademark infringement, and trademark law in general; this is just a kik lawyer being threat happy.
- gariany 11y ago
  +1 also US Trademark != the whole world. NPM should have handle this better!
  - detaro 11y ago
    US trademark is what's dangerous to NPM Inc., the US company running NPM. We don't know anything about how they "handled" it before it came to this, except that they did decide against the article author. What should they have done differently? It's not good that NPM-the-piece-of-infrastructure is vulnerable to this, maybe a registry like this shouldn't be under control of a single company, but we don't know enough to decide what options NPM Inc-the-company had. I hope they clean up/better communicate their policies around this, once they have them figured out (e.g. the package dispute page doesn't discuss trademarks).
    - gnaritas 11y ago
      > What should they have done differently? Not given them control over his code just because it had their name on it. They could have taken it down, but they didn't, they just gave some company ownership of his module, not cool.