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I don't see why anybody believes the FBI aren't just lying at this point. They pretty clearly lied or at least obfuscated the truth on several other points so f

by zmmmmm 11y ago

I don't see why anybody believes the FBI aren't just lying at this point. They pretty clearly lied or at least obfuscated the truth on several other points so far. It seems obvious to me they never cared that much about what was on the phone and were only after a legal precedent - this claim about being able to unlock it another way is just a way to save face. It will be interesting to see whether they ever make public any evidence they claim was gathered from the phone or whether they just quietly let it slide into history and hope everyone forgets about it - I'm betting the latter.

eric_h 11y ago
<conspiracy theory> Apple releases latest version of iOS (which requires everyone who installs it to type in their passphrase, for both the phone and iCloud, again), and the FBI backs off on demanding that Apple write FBiOS for them. Maybe Apple got hit with an NSL and were actually required to backdoor their products? Now Apple is delivering the full encryption keys to interested parties? </conspiracy theory> I know it's silly, but the coincidence of the release of iOS 9.3 and the FBI backing off from its position was striking. The more reasonable theory is, of course, that the FBI realized that they overstepped their boundaries and put a tool they've used for decades ex parte at risk of being taken away from them by butting heads with a determined adversary.
- adamcw 11y ago
  I'd find the timing scarier if the beta for 9.3 hadn't been going for a while before this all came up, and we were already right around the number of releases they always do before an GM build is ready.
joering2 11y ago
IANAL, but since FBI was a plaintiff, they have a right to withdraw the case without giving any reasons, no?
- zmmmmm 11y ago
  Of course they have the "right", but after pushing to an extreme here - to the extent of getting everyone up to Obama to pressure Apple to give in - they can hardly just walk away and not say anything. Even the "oh we found another way" sounds pretty lame, but it's probably the best they could come up with.
  - joering2 11y ago
    > they can hardly just walk away AFAIK there is no law requiring them to do so... (?)

by zmmmmm 11y ago

eric_h 11y ago

<conspiracy theory> Apple releases latest version of iOS (which requires everyone who installs it to type in their passphrase, for both the phone and iCloud, again), and the FBI backs off on demanding that Apple write FBiOS for them. Maybe Apple got hit with an NSL and were actually required to backdoor their products? Now Apple is delivering the full encryption keys to interested parties? </conspiracy theory> I know it's silly, but the coincidence of the release of iOS 9.3 and the FBI backing off from its position was striking. The more reasonable theory is, of course, that the FBI realized that they overstepped their boundaries and put a tool they've used for decades ex parte at risk of being taken away from them by butting heads with a determined adversary.

adamcw 11y ago
I'd find the timing scarier if the beta for 9.3 hadn't been going for a while before this all came up, and we were already right around the number of releases they always do before an GM build is ready.

joering2 11y ago

IANAL, but since FBI was a plaintiff, they have a right to withdraw the case without giving any reasons, no?

zmmmmm 11y ago
Of course they have the "right", but after pushing to an extreme here - to the extent of getting everyone up to Obama to pressure Apple to give in - they can hardly just walk away and not say anything. Even the "oh we found another way" sounds pretty lame, but it's probably the best they could come up with.
- joering2 11y ago
  > they can hardly just walk away AFAIK there is no law requiring them to do so... (?)