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Hiring is broken

33 points by yitchelle 11y ago

cshimmin 11y ago
Is this related to ycombinator? If not, the page styling is a blatant rip-off of their branding. I feel like someone's trying to trick me into thinking this is something that it's not, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
- yarou 11y ago
  To your point, I actually find the UX of the site to be quite horrible. The split-screen makes it cluttered...overall, I'm not engaged by the site, and I quickly closed the window after the headache inducing 2 seconds I spent on there.
yeukhon 11y ago
First impression of the submission title: "please not another 'we are bad at interviewing people'" Opened the site, read about the goal, and I think this idea is neat and clever (also entertaining too). Imagine you can turn this into "guess which company is that." BTW, I like the simplicity of the UI but I suggest moving the content more toward the center. left-align is really tough when 80% of the right side is empty.
bellwether 11y ago
The initial page looked broken; I thought you were pointing out a problem page on HN when I first saw it...might want to reconsider the design as cshimmin pointed out.
PaulHoule 11y ago
How is this different from all the broken job boards other the the minimalist visuals and good color scheme?
dood 11y ago
That hiring is broken seems to be the one thing HN can agree on. Looking for my next role at the moment, I'm having to use up a lot of energy just resisting the urge to think about doing a hiring startup. It seems like such a ripe target for disruption, and sure as hell would be scratching an itch.
- teach 11y ago
  That's what Starfighters is up to. https://www.starfighters.io/ https://www.starfighters.io/
cubano 11y ago
I feel the need to push back on this meme. "Hiring is broken" for the same reason so many other things in this world are broken. Because in the end, hiring a political decision, not a rational or technical one. To get hired anywhere requires the consensus of, say, 2 to 6 people (maybe more!), and that becomes the realm of the political. These people have to like you as well as think you can do the work as well as about 10 other things... And in the end, unless the process is automated by AI, the decision will always be political-by-nature and thus subject to all the attendant issues that brings with. And thus the process stays "broken" (whatever that really means) and will continue to resist all efforts to remake it. [edits]
- eitally 11y ago
  I would argue that hiring isn't broken at all. It's WAI. I would also argue that WAI isn't good enough, and that too often stupid hire/no-hire decisions are made. Thirdly, the tooling that exists to facilitate the recruiting & onboarding processes are largely horrific. There's still space to make a bunch of money in this area.
  - optimuspaul 11y ago
    it took me 3 minutes to figure out WAI meant, could you just spell out "Works as intended"? You aren't texting.
    - mrep 11y ago
      I don't even know if "WAI" means "Works as intended" cause if so, then he is saying "It's WAI" which would correspond to "It's Works as intended" which would be super confusing grammer. Either way, you shouldn't use acronyms unless they're easy to understand and you know grammar.
hibroken 11y ago
Hi, I wrote the site. I woke up today to see the post count doubled and wondered what happened overnight. It wasn't ready to show, and it's probably a good thing for everyone it got flagged down. I'm sorry again. The site is not related to Y Combinator. I just documented this in how it works. I'm sorry the page styling upset a few people. Yes, we did use the same branding as HackerNews because we built this in two hours and felt launching was more important than design, if this idea works we will of course create our own branding. This is just a test. Thank you for your honest feedback! The biggest difference compared to existing job sites is condensing job descriptions to under 120 words. Large job posts (500+ words) come at the cost of diluting their signal. I'm looking for a job now and I'm tired of reading long and vague descriptions searching for the punchline and not finding it. The second biggest difference is it gives equal power to employers and job seekers since they both look at the same data, rather than employers hoarding 99% of the data. At first I wanted to show both jobs and people on the same screen. Since I'm also looking for a job, I ended up also using the site as a delicious/HN for tracking the jobs I applied to. The biggest surprise was realizing I could forward jobs I thought were good to people that might be a better fit for them than me. It sounds like there are plenty of alignment/page/styling issues to fix. Sorry folks. I'll go over over the comments and fix what I can. The hardest part is displaying the 3 fields in a more visually appealing way. HN had it easy showing only the title. What a complete disaster. Talk about accidentally launching...

33 points by yitchelle 11y ago

Is this related to ycombinator? If not, the page styling is a blatant rip-off of their branding. I feel like someone's trying to trick me into thinking this is something that it's not, which leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

yarou 11y ago
To your point, I actually find the UX of the site to be quite horrible. The split-screen makes it cluttered...overall, I'm not engaged by the site, and I quickly closed the window after the headache inducing 2 seconds I spent on there.

yeukhon 11y ago

First impression of the submission title: "please not another 'we are bad at interviewing people'" Opened the site, read about the goal, and I think this idea is neat and clever (also entertaining too). Imagine you can turn this into "guess which company is that." BTW, I like the simplicity of the UI but I suggest moving the content more toward the center. left-align is really tough when 80% of the right side is empty.

bellwether 11y ago

The initial page looked broken; I thought you were pointing out a problem page on HN when I first saw it...might want to reconsider the design as cshimmin pointed out.

PaulHoule 11y ago

How is this different from all the broken job boards other the the minimalist visuals and good color scheme?

dood 11y ago

That hiring is broken seems to be the one thing HN can agree on. Looking for my next role at the moment, I'm having to use up a lot of energy just resisting the urge to think about doing a hiring startup. It seems like such a ripe target for disruption, and sure as hell would be scratching an itch.

teach 11y ago
That's what Starfighters is up to. https://www.starfighters.io/ https://www.starfighters.io/

cubano 11y ago

I feel the need to push back on this meme. "Hiring is broken" for the same reason so many other things in this world are broken. Because in the end, hiring a political decision, not a rational or technical one. To get hired anywhere requires the consensus of, say, 2 to 6 people (maybe more!), and that becomes the realm of the political. These people have to like you as well as think you can do the work as well as about 10 other things... And in the end, unless the process is automated by AI, the decision will always be political-by-nature and thus subject to all the attendant issues that brings with. And thus the process stays "broken" (whatever that really means) and will continue to resist all efforts to remake it. [edits]

eitally 11y ago
I would argue that hiring isn't broken at all. It's WAI. I would also argue that WAI isn't good enough, and that too often stupid hire/no-hire decisions are made. Thirdly, the tooling that exists to facilitate the recruiting & onboarding processes are largely horrific. There's still space to make a bunch of money in this area.
- optimuspaul 11y ago
  it took me 3 minutes to figure out WAI meant, could you just spell out "Works as intended"? You aren't texting.
  - mrep 11y ago
    I don't even know if "WAI" means "Works as intended" cause if so, then he is saying "It's WAI" which would correspond to "It's Works as intended" which would be super confusing grammer. Either way, you shouldn't use acronyms unless they're easy to understand and you know grammar.

hibroken 11y ago

Hi, I wrote the site. I woke up today to see the post count doubled and wondered what happened overnight. It wasn't ready to show, and it's probably a good thing for everyone it got flagged down. I'm sorry again. The site is not related to Y Combinator. I just documented this in how it works. I'm sorry the page styling upset a few people. Yes, we did use the same branding as HackerNews because we built this in two hours and felt launching was more important than design, if this idea works we will of course create our own branding. This is just a test. Thank you for your honest feedback! The biggest difference compared to existing job sites is condensing job descriptions to under 120 words. Large job posts (500+ words) come at the cost of diluting their signal. I'm looking for a job now and I'm tired of reading long and vague descriptions searching for the punchline and not finding it. The second biggest difference is it gives equal power to employers and job seekers since they both look at the same data, rather than employers hoarding 99% of the data. At first I wanted to show both jobs and people on the same screen. Since I'm also looking for a job, I ended up also using the site as a delicious/HN for tracking the jobs I applied to. The biggest surprise was realizing I could forward jobs I thought were good to people that might be a better fit for them than me. It sounds like there are plenty of alignment/page/styling issues to fix. Sorry folks. I'll go over over the comments and fix what I can. The hardest part is displaying the 3 fields in a more visually appealing way. HN had it easy showing only the title. What a complete disaster. Talk about accidentally launching...