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• herge 11y ago
  What do you think about Jean-Robert Sansfaçon's critique in Le Devoir (http://www.ledevoir.com/economie/actualites-economiques/462452/revenu-minimum-simple-ou-simpliste http://www.ledevoir.com/economie/actualites-economiques/4624...), where he calculates that to give only 10,000$ per inhabitant in Quebec per year, you would need 68 billion dollars, ~22 times the amount currently spent on social welfare. Also, that would constitute 70% of the current tax revenue of the Quebec government.
  • graeme 11y ago
    Does that take into account that for middle class people it's effectively a wash? i.e. Your taxes go up $10,000, but you get a $10,000 payment. I haven't seen a cost calculation that explicitly factors this in. I imagine it's still expensive, but perhaps less than it seems? It's a good article though. A lot of people vastly overestimate current social payment expenditures. They're much lower than I thought, and I am not in the camp that thinks basic income will be costless to implement by replacing social programs.
    • JonFish85 11y ago
      "Does that take into account that for middle class people it's effectively a wash?" I guarantee that if/when this gets implemented, it won't be a wash for the middle class. The middle class is where the tax money is, and they'll be the ones bearing the brunt of the bill, as usual.
      • emidln 11y ago
        This is mostly true because we have made forms of non-wage income tax advantaged while capping out how much income we consider during welfare-tax-directed calculations (like social security). This doesn't have to be the case.
    • herge 11y ago
      You still need an administration that handles all that money coming in and out, probably doubling the amount of money Revenu Québec manages. All that for a poverty line payment of 10k.
      • jeremysmyth 11y ago
        Right, but that administration already exists for social payments, except the majority of the administration is in the gatekeeping side: Making sure that the people who are claiming are entitled to it. Remove that administration and you make large savings.
  • alphydan 11y ago
    According to the Canadian government [0], if I'm reading it correctly, the money coming in was around $150bn/yr in 2013. So 60bn may be a high but reasonable figure. edit: more recent stats [0] show 104bn coming in, 5bn spent is social tax breaks, 0.5bn spent in food pensions. [0] http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/statistiques/economie/comptes-economiques/comptes-revenus-depenses/comptes-revenus-depenses-2013.pdf http://www.stat.gouv.qc.ca/statistiques/economie/comptes-eco... [1] http://www.revenuquebec.ca/fr/salle-de-presse/statistiques/revenu-quebec-en-un-coup-d-oeil.aspx http://www.revenuquebec.ca/fr/salle-de-presse/statistiques/r...
  • redwood 11y ago
    Machines will generate enormous excess wealth in the future