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I don't understand why you need an IDE, I believe Rust is simple enough that you can work on things in Notepad++ or Vim or Emacs.

orbitur 11y ago
Autocomplete is a godsend, I don't type nearly as much as I hit my arrow keys+tab. Whenever I have to write anything outside of ObjC (in Xcode) or Java (in Android Studio), I get annoyed very quickly.
cballard 11y ago
I tried to use Rust briefly but found that discovery was very difficult without autocomplete - I'm used to Swift's SourceKit, which is quite good if it hasn't crashed.
gravypod 11y ago
Here are the features I like in an IDE that make be very productive: - Autocompletion - Mass rename - Source formatting - Integrated debugger interface with breakpoint insertion and overlying of state on source - Integrated VCS control - Automated deploy - Error display - Automatic importing of modules - Source cleanup (Automatic loop transformation) - Automatically building my project That's just a few things that I like an IDE to have. Some provide even more features that I like. I understand that there are other tools that do the tasks better, maybe even faster, but that's not what I want. I want to be able to learn one thing, and learn how to use all of it's features well.
- coldpie 11y ago
  Yeah. I'm a vim guy myself, but I totally understand the appeal of IDEs. Luckily Rust is a well-defined language (unlike C and C++), so building a nice IDE shouldn't be too arduous.
  - gravypod 11y ago
    Not only that, but it looks to have some very good tooling. Cargo should simplify things a lot for whoever writes IDEs. Not only do you have a package manager, but a build system.
  - choudanu4 11y ago
    The compiler for Rust still needs work in order to support the partial compiling required for typical IDE.
- hobarrera 11y ago
  vim (+ sh) cover all those things, except maybe the last two.
  - Jach 11y ago
    The last two items are definitely achievable. As a saying goes, "vim is my editor, Linux is my IDE." I'd rather learn a handful of tools that will last me my career and be valuable in many different circumstances in and out of work and more formal "programming" than learn a new IDE per language and/or a new Master IDE for multiple languages every few years.
- yberreby 11y ago
  Autocompletion: YouCompleteMe + racer + racerd Source formatting: rust.vim + rustfmt Automatic building: https://github.com/passcod/cargo-watch https://github.com/passcod/cargo-watch Error display: tmux, terminator or iTerm2 split planes Rust has pretty good tool support in vim and Atom, for example (can't speak for the rest). We don't have stellar IDE support yet, but it's on the to-do list: https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html Personally, I don't miss IDEs. I like the approach of small, single-purpose, composable command-line utilities more.
  - aidenn0 11y ago
    > Error display: tmux, terminator or iTerm2 split planes Split panes are a poor substitute for actual error display integration; highlighting the errors in the source-code viewer, combined with a cross-linked list of errors is far more useful.
    - dikaiosune 11y ago
      The linter-rust plugin for Atom provides this, as does the RustyCode plugin for VSCode.
  - gravypod 11y ago
    As I said, I don't want to learn how to use 5+ tools. I want to be able to install one thing, have everything work out of the box, and learn how to use their uniform and standard way of doing things.
    - z1mm32m4n 11y ago
      I acknowledge that learning lots of tools just to start using a new language is a bit much. However, the reason why so many people in this thread persist in suggesting that these tools are worth learning is that turns out most of these tools plug-and-play with whatever new language you feel like learning 6 months or 2 years or more from now. Vim is one of the more popular editors to use in conjunction with this plug-and-play philosophy; if you have a change of heart and want to take a dive into learning to use Vim as such, I'd recommend Vim as an IDE[1], which addresses a lot of the points you brought up in your list of things you wish an IDE had. [1]: https://github.com/jez/vim-as-an-ide https://github.com/jez/vim-as-an-ide
Cshelton 11y ago
This is pretty common, and the advantages of Rust won't overcome people being inherently lazy (not in a bad way... lazy in this sense is really more efficient). People love C# for that very reason, once they get used to Visual Studio, convincing them to switch to something with very limited IDE support is a tough argument. Most people have better things to do with their life. Rust will get there though, just give them time.
- jjuel 11y ago
  I write C# at work using VS, and am working on getting omnisharp running so I can use VIM here instead. I have fully converted from being an IDE person to a VIMMER. So many helpful things, and keyboard binds that I can't believe I ever lived without. VsVim just isn't the same, and cannot be used in VS2008 which we unfortunately use most of the time.

orbitur 11y ago

Autocomplete is a godsend, I don't type nearly as much as I hit my arrow keys+tab. Whenever I have to write anything outside of ObjC (in Xcode) or Java (in Android Studio), I get annoyed very quickly.

cballard 11y ago

I tried to use Rust briefly but found that discovery was very difficult without autocomplete - I'm used to Swift's SourceKit, which is quite good if it hasn't crashed.

gravypod 11y ago

Here are the features I like in an IDE that make be very productive: - Autocompletion - Mass rename - Source formatting - Integrated debugger interface with breakpoint insertion and overlying of state on source - Integrated VCS control - Automated deploy - Error display - Automatic importing of modules - Source cleanup (Automatic loop transformation) - Automatically building my project That's just a few things that I like an IDE to have. Some provide even more features that I like. I understand that there are other tools that do the tasks better, maybe even faster, but that's not what I want. I want to be able to learn one thing, and learn how to use all of it's features well.

coldpie 11y ago
Yeah. I'm a vim guy myself, but I totally understand the appeal of IDEs. Luckily Rust is a well-defined language (unlike C and C++), so building a nice IDE shouldn't be too arduous.
- gravypod 11y ago
  Not only that, but it looks to have some very good tooling. Cargo should simplify things a lot for whoever writes IDEs. Not only do you have a package manager, but a build system.
- choudanu4 11y ago
  The compiler for Rust still needs work in order to support the partial compiling required for typical IDE.
hobarrera 11y ago
vim (+ sh) cover all those things, except maybe the last two.
- Jach 11y ago
  The last two items are definitely achievable. As a saying goes, "vim is my editor, Linux is my IDE." I'd rather learn a handful of tools that will last me my career and be valuable in many different circumstances in and out of work and more formal "programming" than learn a new IDE per language and/or a new Master IDE for multiple languages every few years.
yberreby 11y ago
Autocompletion: YouCompleteMe + racer + racerd Source formatting: rust.vim + rustfmt Automatic building: https://github.com/passcod/cargo-watch https://github.com/passcod/cargo-watch Error display: tmux, terminator or iTerm2 split planes Rust has pretty good tool support in vim and Atom, for example (can't speak for the rest). We don't have stellar IDE support yet, but it's on the to-do list: https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html Personally, I don't miss IDEs. I like the approach of small, single-purpose, composable command-line utilities more.
- aidenn0 11y ago
  > Error display: tmux, terminator or iTerm2 split planes Split panes are a poor substitute for actual error display integration; highlighting the errors in the source-code viewer, combined with a cross-linked list of errors is far more useful.
  - dikaiosune 11y ago
    The linter-rust plugin for Atom provides this, as does the RustyCode plugin for VSCode.
- gravypod 11y ago
  As I said, I don't want to learn how to use 5+ tools. I want to be able to install one thing, have everything work out of the box, and learn how to use their uniform and standard way of doing things.
  - z1mm32m4n 11y ago
    I acknowledge that learning lots of tools just to start using a new language is a bit much. However, the reason why so many people in this thread persist in suggesting that these tools are worth learning is that turns out most of these tools plug-and-play with whatever new language you feel like learning 6 months or 2 years or more from now. Vim is one of the more popular editors to use in conjunction with this plug-and-play philosophy; if you have a change of heart and want to take a dive into learning to use Vim as such, I'd recommend Vim as an IDE[1], which addresses a lot of the points you brought up in your list of things you wish an IDE had. [1]: https://github.com/jez/vim-as-an-ide https://github.com/jez/vim-as-an-ide

Cshelton 11y ago

This is pretty common, and the advantages of Rust won't overcome people being inherently lazy (not in a bad way... lazy in this sense is really more efficient). People love C# for that very reason, once they get used to Visual Studio, convincing them to switch to something with very limited IDE support is a tough argument. Most people have better things to do with their life. Rust will get there though, just give them time.

jjuel 11y ago
I write C# at work using VS, and am working on getting omnisharp running so I can use VIM here instead. I have fully converted from being an IDE person to a VIMMER. So many helpful things, and keyboard binds that I can't believe I ever lived without. VsVim just isn't the same, and cannot be used in VS2008 which we unfortunately use most of the time.