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However, I already have it.

by recursive 11y ago

capote 11y ago
You already have a processor too, and something running directly on that is, in fact, more simple.
- recursive 11y ago
  It's more simple from the point of view of the processor, I suppose, but that's not a useful metric for me.
  - StavrosK 11y ago
    Is your unit of simplicity really "I already have this installed"? Because then this hello world line I just wrote is more complex than your OS.
    - joesb 11y ago
      From the point of view of the user, yes.
    - recursive 11y ago
      Maybe simplicity isn't exactly what I'm talking about, but yes. In fact, I couldn't run your hello world without running my OS. So from a practical point of view, me running your hello world has a dependency on my OS. From that perspective, it's easier for me to run my OS than your hello world.
      - StavrosK 11y ago
        I see. So you have these coreutils installed? Because if not, they're exactly as "simple" as cygwin, which is also not installed.
        recursive 11y ago
        No, I don't. I have a vague recollection that cygwin was a huge and confusing monolith, but I haven't looked at it in years. This new javascript thing sounded more straight-forward. It's not really objectively supported. I don't even like javascript.
        umanwizard 11y ago
        Cygwin is pretty simple to install and use. Download an .exe installer, click click click, open the Cygwin prompt shortcut.
metalock 11y ago
Yes, but - when you hit some bug or just need some specific combination of commands, there would be thousands posts on the web that explain how to do on unix that will work in Cygwin. Will they work in this environment?
- recursive 11y ago
  The question is hypothetical. Sometimes the answer would be yes. Sometimes the answer would be no.
StreamBright 11y ago
I also have Fortran, Cobol, SWI-Prolog, OCaml, Elixir and Erlang on my computer, so I guess we need to re-implement core utils in these languages too. Using the followings in any technical arguments is just plain stupid: - it works on my laptop - but I already have it

However, I already have it.

capote 11y ago

You already have a processor too, and something running directly on that is, in fact, more simple.

recursive 11y ago
It's more simple from the point of view of the processor, I suppose, but that's not a useful metric for me.
- StavrosK 11y ago
  Is your unit of simplicity really "I already have this installed"? Because then this hello world line I just wrote is more complex than your OS.
  - joesb 11y ago
    From the point of view of the user, yes.
  - recursive 11y ago
    Maybe simplicity isn't exactly what I'm talking about, but yes. In fact, I couldn't run your hello world without running my OS. So from a practical point of view, me running your hello world has a dependency on my OS. From that perspective, it's easier for me to run my OS than your hello world.
    - StavrosK 11y ago
      I see. So you have these coreutils installed? Because if not, they're exactly as "simple" as cygwin, which is also not installed.
      - recursive 11y ago
        No, I don't. I have a vague recollection that cygwin was a huge and confusing monolith, but I haven't looked at it in years. This new javascript thing sounded more straight-forward. It's not really objectively supported. I don't even like javascript.
        umanwizard 11y ago
        Cygwin is pretty simple to install and use. Download an .exe installer, click click click, open the Cygwin prompt shortcut.

metalock 11y ago

Yes, but - when you hit some bug or just need some specific combination of commands, there would be thousands posts on the web that explain how to do on unix that will work in Cygwin. Will they work in this environment?

recursive 11y ago
The question is hypothetical. Sometimes the answer would be yes. Sometimes the answer would be no.

StreamBright 11y ago

I also have Fortran, Cobol, SWI-Prolog, OCaml, Elixir and Erlang on my computer, so I guess we need to re-implement core utils in these languages too. Using the followings in any technical arguments is just plain stupid: - it works on my laptop - but I already have it