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It's not first generation immigrants or refugees doing this. It's not Syrians doing this. By what possible rationale could you say that recent immigration has a

It's not first generation immigrants or refugees doing this. It's not Syrians doing this. By what possible rationale could you say that recent immigration has anything to do with this, other than that they're Muslim?

mistermann 11y ago
> By what possible rationale could you say that recent immigration has anything to do with this I didn't say it was recent immigration that caused this incident, we both know that (if they are 2nd generation, it couldn't be recent). > other than that they're Muslim You think that their religion has absolutely nothing to do with this? I mean, even unjust prejudice within their host country because of their religion could easily cause social isolation and economic disadvantage leading to anger - that seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me and largely places the ultimate blame on the host country.
- ascorbic 11y ago
  The original comment specified recent immigration. What gave you the impression I thought religion had nothing to do with this? Of course it does. I was talking about immigration though, and the fact they're both Muslim doesn't mean that these incidents have any connection to recent refugees from Syria, aside from the fact that the Syrians are running from these kind of people.
  - ptaipale 11y ago
    Actually, two of the nine Paris attackers were (probably) from Syria and had come as refugees, as they were registered with fingerprints in Greece. A few of the others were French and were known to be in Syria, but how they came back to EU is apparently not known (could be with help from people smugglers, avoiding any registration at borders, because some of them were on wanted lists).
    - ascorbic 11y ago
      So three of them probably came as refugees. One of those has been identified and it turns out he was actually French, but you still assume the two unidentified ones were "real" refugees, rather than other French terrorists who had fought with IS and were trying the same trick?
      - ptaipale 11y ago
        I can't really say whether they are "real" refugees or not. The point is more that border checks have ceased to exist. Schengen area doesn't actually even try to verify who comes in, and that enables also movement of jihadists - even if they are only a few among thousands and thousands, but the few can avoid border controls.

mistermann 11y ago

> By what possible rationale could you say that recent immigration has anything to do with this I didn't say it was recent immigration that caused this incident, we both know that (if they are 2nd generation, it couldn't be recent). > other than that they're Muslim You think that their religion has absolutely nothing to do with this? I mean, even unjust prejudice within their host country because of their religion could easily cause social isolation and economic disadvantage leading to anger - that seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation to me and largely places the ultimate blame on the host country.

ascorbic 11y ago
The original comment specified recent immigration. What gave you the impression I thought religion had nothing to do with this? Of course it does. I was talking about immigration though, and the fact they're both Muslim doesn't mean that these incidents have any connection to recent refugees from Syria, aside from the fact that the Syrians are running from these kind of people.
- ptaipale 11y ago
  Actually, two of the nine Paris attackers were (probably) from Syria and had come as refugees, as they were registered with fingerprints in Greece. A few of the others were French and were known to be in Syria, but how they came back to EU is apparently not known (could be with help from people smugglers, avoiding any registration at borders, because some of them were on wanted lists).
  - ascorbic 11y ago
    So three of them probably came as refugees. One of those has been identified and it turns out he was actually French, but you still assume the two unidentified ones were "real" refugees, rather than other French terrorists who had fought with IS and were trying the same trick?
    - ptaipale 11y ago
      I can't really say whether they are "real" refugees or not. The point is more that border checks have ceased to exist. Schengen area doesn't actually even try to verify who comes in, and that enables also movement of jihadists - even if they are only a few among thousands and thousands, but the few can avoid border controls.