> Is it not allowable to hurt others in self defense? Is it not allowable to hurt animals for food? I fail to see how such general and silly questions foster a

> Is it not allowable to hurt others in self defense? Is it not allowable to hurt animals for food? I fail to see how such general and silly questions foster a debate. No one said or implied those. > has no bearing on the utilitarian calculus That's why we need to (wait for it) debate! > no categorical imperative against the thing You know what's the problem of the categorical imperative? It's very subjective. You know how we overcome such subjectivity? (wait for it) debate! --- My point is simply that in one the harm is direct (designed to) and the other is indirect (can be used to). Due to that the debate between those should be different. I made no "quantifiable" comparison pal.