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When you marginalise and stigmatise people, and give them no hope for the future, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them end up reacting like that.

ramblerman 11y ago
That argument is naive at best. These kids have smartphones, internet, and full access to state funded education to the university level. Yet we still have seen a large departure to Syria. There is a concerted effort to indoctrinate these youths, and criticism against anything islam is not allowing this debate to be held. See this article "Remove the Saudi influence from our mosques" http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/regio/brussel/1.2507974 http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/regio/brussel/1.2507974 written by a female politician of Moroccan descent.
- conceit 11y ago
  > education to the university level which realistically only 50% graduate from. Very naive to assume, that's not at all state funded educations fault. As if indoctrination wasn't part of that as well in the first place. > criticism against anything islam is not allowing this debate to be held. wat?
  - ramblerman 11y ago
    Where do you get the 50% figure? Most don't even attempt university. Also not quite sure I understand the argument against state funded education. Pretty much everyone in Belgium has a state funded education, myself included.
    - conceit 11y ago
      have to admit, can't read my own ramblings there That's 50% of the university students, obviously, rough estimate. The implicit statement that it is the students' fault, when their education goes wrong, implies that our educational system is otherwise perfect. I challenged that, not for the monetary aspect.
valcker 11y ago
When you travel to some relatively remote places like Nepal, where it takes a couple of hours for kids to get to their school (if they have a school nearby at all), you very quickly understand that anyone who was born or lives in western countries has a hope for the future.

ramblerman 11y ago

That argument is naive at best. These kids have smartphones, internet, and full access to state funded education to the university level. Yet we still have seen a large departure to Syria. There is a concerted effort to indoctrinate these youths, and criticism against anything islam is not allowing this debate to be held. See this article "Remove the Saudi influence from our mosques" http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/regio/brussel/1.2507974 http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/regio/brussel/1.2507974 written by a female politician of Moroccan descent.

conceit 11y ago
> education to the university level which realistically only 50% graduate from. Very naive to assume, that's not at all state funded educations fault. As if indoctrination wasn't part of that as well in the first place. > criticism against anything islam is not allowing this debate to be held. wat?
- ramblerman 11y ago
  Where do you get the 50% figure? Most don't even attempt university. Also not quite sure I understand the argument against state funded education. Pretty much everyone in Belgium has a state funded education, myself included.
  - conceit 11y ago
    have to admit, can't read my own ramblings there That's 50% of the university students, obviously, rough estimate. The implicit statement that it is the students' fault, when their education goes wrong, implies that our educational system is otherwise perfect. I challenged that, not for the monetary aspect.

valcker 11y ago

When you travel to some relatively remote places like Nepal, where it takes a couple of hours for kids to get to their school (if they have a school nearby at all), you very quickly understand that anyone who was born or lives in western countries has a hope for the future.