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Why do Christian not protest on the street when "one of their guys" commits terrorist attacks? Breivik for example as he is in the media right now. Religion ha

by spdy 11y ago

Why do Christian not protest on the street when "one of their guys" commits terrorist attacks? Breivik for example as he is in the media right now. Religion has no part in this its only a vehicle as is Christianity. The real picture is much bigger and more complex. And please look behind the media curtain as other have pointed out you have the internet on your hands you can get all the sources you need.

welanes 11y ago
Breivik's motivation were not sourced from Christian literature, whereas suicide bomber's are (from Koran and Hadith). Young Christians are not leaving home to join the Christian State of Iraq and Syria. You can see the distinction, surely? Islam creates space and justification for these actions in a way that Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity does not. It's a difficult to swallow pill yet it's true. Source: Am an ex-muslim and generally interested in this phenomenon.
- spdy 11y ago
  If you look at the history of Europe the bible was a center piece in many wars. You can use any of the religious books to rally people up to fight against the non-believer. But my point is the current terrorist attacks in Paris are committed by people who got discarded by society with no purpose in life and they found a group who gave them a place where they felt needed and respected. Brevik is a Nazi and he is not Christian
  - welanes 11y ago
    > You can use any of the religious books to rally people up to fight against the non-believer. Some books are much better at this than others. And while I don't believe the bible was that prevalent in the wars of the past, even if it was, that was centuries ago. We've cast aside such foolish things yet live in a world where many people have not. And that's our problem. On your second paragraph - that's exactly why an ideology that can transform a person from a citizen into a terrorist because they feel marginalized needs to be addressed. There's a whole lot of marginalized people across our globe.
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    People are dropping from uni's to go join ISIS. The guy who perpetrated the san bernardino attacks was a born in the US and was a government worker, his wife was from a fairly influential family. The Boston bombings were committed by 2 fairly normal teenagers that weren't in any form of distress. Bin Laden was part of one of the most richest families in Saudi Arabia. While it's true that many disfranchised individuals turn extremist it's also true that just as many of those who do are very privileged. People don't decide to join ISIS because they are poor, the do so because they are influenced to do it in a very methodical and well financed way.
- duncan_bayne 11y ago
  > Source: Am an ex-muslim Credit to you; that's not an easy (or particularly safe) path to walk.
  - duncan_bayne 11y ago
    For those down voting, bear in mind that apostasy is punishable by death or imprisonment in many parts of the world: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7620355 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7620355 It is literally unsafe to abandon Islam.
conceit 11y ago
They did, not Christians specifically, but I remember crowds with signs and candles.
iofj 11y ago
Maybe we ought to settle this argument by looking at a completely neutral source: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=islam%2C%20terror%2C%20christianity%2C%20buddhism%2C%20hinduism https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=islam%2C%20terror%2C... Draw your own conclusion. Plus I don't think you really want to make this association. Breivik was a (neo-)Nazi (e.g. [1]). If anything he supports the argument that ideology leads to terrorism (it is baffling to me that anyone would ever think it doesn't). I don't think anyone is making the argument that there is only a single violent ideology on this planet. But I find it weird that to make your point you'd draw attention to the association between terror and ideologies. Because then you'd very quickly arrive at the obvious question : per ideology, how much terror, and at what point do we take action ? Per ideology, how much terror is something the above graph can help with. [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/anders-breivik-mein-kampf-only-reason-surviving-prison-adolf-hitler-nazi-a6934336.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/anders-breivi...

by spdy 11y ago

welanes 11y ago

Breivik's motivation were not sourced from Christian literature, whereas suicide bomber's are (from Koran and Hadith). Young Christians are not leaving home to join the Christian State of Iraq and Syria. You can see the distinction, surely? Islam creates space and justification for these actions in a way that Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity does not. It's a difficult to swallow pill yet it's true. Source: Am an ex-muslim and generally interested in this phenomenon.

spdy 11y ago
If you look at the history of Europe the bible was a center piece in many wars. You can use any of the religious books to rally people up to fight against the non-believer. But my point is the current terrorist attacks in Paris are committed by people who got discarded by society with no purpose in life and they found a group who gave them a place where they felt needed and respected. Brevik is a Nazi and he is not Christian
- welanes 11y ago
  > You can use any of the religious books to rally people up to fight against the non-believer. Some books are much better at this than others. And while I don't believe the bible was that prevalent in the wars of the past, even if it was, that was centuries ago. We've cast aside such foolish things yet live in a world where many people have not. And that's our problem. On your second paragraph - that's exactly why an ideology that can transform a person from a citizen into a terrorist because they feel marginalized needs to be addressed. There's a whole lot of marginalized people across our globe.
- dogma1138 11y ago
  People are dropping from uni's to go join ISIS. The guy who perpetrated the san bernardino attacks was a born in the US and was a government worker, his wife was from a fairly influential family. The Boston bombings were committed by 2 fairly normal teenagers that weren't in any form of distress. Bin Laden was part of one of the most richest families in Saudi Arabia. While it's true that many disfranchised individuals turn extremist it's also true that just as many of those who do are very privileged. People don't decide to join ISIS because they are poor, the do so because they are influenced to do it in a very methodical and well financed way.
duncan_bayne 11y ago
> Source: Am an ex-muslim Credit to you; that's not an easy (or particularly safe) path to walk.
- duncan_bayne 11y ago
  For those down voting, bear in mind that apostasy is punishable by death or imprisonment in many parts of the world: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7620355 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7620355 It is literally unsafe to abandon Islam.

conceit 11y ago

They did, not Christians specifically, but I remember crowds with signs and candles.

iofj 11y ago

Maybe we ought to settle this argument by looking at a completely neutral source: https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=islam%2C%20terror%2C%20christianity%2C%20buddhism%2C%20hinduism https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=islam%2C%20terror%2C... Draw your own conclusion. Plus I don't think you really want to make this association. Breivik was a (neo-)Nazi (e.g. [1]). If anything he supports the argument that ideology leads to terrorism (it is baffling to me that anyone would ever think it doesn't). I don't think anyone is making the argument that there is only a single violent ideology on this planet. But I find it weird that to make your point you'd draw attention to the association between terror and ideologies. Because then you'd very quickly arrive at the obvious question : per ideology, how much terror, and at what point do we take action ? Per ideology, how much terror is something the above graph can help with. [1] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/anders-breivik-mein-kampf-only-reason-surviving-prison-adolf-hitler-nazi-a6934336.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/anders-breivi...