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I just want to point out that lots of HN recently has been saying "Apple would NEVER deal with the FBI, there's too much risk of a leak!".. and yet, with the ex

I just want to point out that lots of HN recently has been saying "Apple would NEVER deal with the FBI, there's too much risk of a leak!".. and yet, with the example of what happened to Manning, Snowden (ETC) -- would you, with a 6 figure salary, want to tell the world of misdeeds when you could toil away comfortably? "So obvious no one will ever notice" Apple removed their warrant canary about a year ago timed with press releases about "revamping their privacy policy for better security and user happiness" and a bunch of marketing bullshit. What I saw was the guarantees that they had done everything they could to protect your data was gone, replaced by "we'll follow the law" AKA they will screw you over willingly if they need to. --- Also, the FBI is NOT dumb. "Poor legal council" was mentioned in this thread. With their budget, why would you not assume they have Grade AAA legal council? --- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11332377 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11332377

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
What? Apple are quite good with privacy. Unlike Microsoft, for example, Apple's operating systems have encryption on by default.
- trakout 11y ago
  They removed their warrant canary. That's a giant red flag if there ever was one. Cooperation w/ governments negates encryption, no matter how good.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
    Yes, the canary disappeared. That doesn't mean Apple didn't fight their hardest against the order. They're legally compelled to silence.
  - hellbanner 11y ago
    Front page of HN says Apple suspects "third party tampering" with servers en route to them. The plot thickens. If you didn't build it, you can't trust it.
- hellbanner 11y ago
  Front page of HN says that Apple suspects tampering with their hardware going in. What good is encryption when there's a back door? The warrant canary! The warrant canary! It vanished. We really don't know what they're up to now.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago

What? Apple are quite good with privacy. Unlike Microsoft, for example, Apple's operating systems have encryption on by default.

trakout 11y ago
They removed their warrant canary. That's a giant red flag if there ever was one. Cooperation w/ governments negates encryption, no matter how good.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  Yes, the canary disappeared. That doesn't mean Apple didn't fight their hardest against the order. They're legally compelled to silence.
- hellbanner 11y ago
  Front page of HN says Apple suspects "third party tampering" with servers en route to them. The plot thickens. If you didn't build it, you can't trust it.
hellbanner 11y ago
Front page of HN says that Apple suspects tampering with their hardware going in. What good is encryption when there's a back door? The warrant canary! The warrant canary! It vanished. We really don't know what they're up to now.