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A "Super. Computer." with an "OS" which I can not use to write a program to run on that same "OS".

by ant6n 11y ago

QuantumRoar 11y ago
It's technically a computer. And the "Super" is not even in the same sentence as the word "Computer." I don't think this is misleading. Furthermore, super just means better than average. The average computer by a general definition of computation runs with an ARM processor in a washing machine or toaster. So I conclude that, technically, it is "better than average." You wouldn't expect to write programs on a toaster, would you? (Although you probably could because toasters will run NetBSD. But toasters running NetBSD are not the average.)
- ant6n 11y ago
  So your response to me basically writing "it sucks that I can't even write programs on this, despite being sold as a powerful computer" is "You wouldn't expect to write programs on a toaster, would you?"
  - QuantumRoar 11y ago
    Yes, because you buy a toaster to toast. And you buy a PC to code. I still haven't figured out why I would need a tablet. I understand why others might, but for me personally, I have no idea for what I would use it. If you are similar to me, i.e. you need a proper computer where you can hack away and do whatever you want, you were never meant to be an iPad customer. Due to the way Apple handles its operating system, you are at their mercy if you hope to be coding on an iPad anytime soon. I hope that your wishes come true but it might just not work out. When I notice that I can't do important things with a certain operating system, I move on and look for something more suitable. For me a computer should do exactly what I tell it and it should only be constrained by its hardware. I'm disgusted by software that artificially imposes limitations on what I can do with the computer I literally own.
    - ant6n 11y ago
      Apple's whole pitch is that you can use a Ipad Pro to replace your Windows machine and do work (something about a bunch of old Windows machines are still around and it being sad).
dwb 11y ago
Sure you can: http://omz-software.com/pythonista/ http://omz-software.com/pythonista/ But I know, you meant full-on apps. If we lived in a world where there were only locked-down, iOS-type computers, I'd agree with your indignation. But I think there's room enough for the iPad and all the other things out there. (Besides, can you imagine creating an app on the iPad? That'd take some incredible UI to not be awful. I do hope it comes along someday though.)
- ant6n 11y ago
  You can hook up a keyboard. Presumably a mouse? Just needs something like MacOs-arm.
merpnderp 11y ago
The iOS system isn't really useful for writing programs on the device mostly due to the filesystem being weirdly off limits to apps. But in the past I've used an iPad to SSH into servers where I happily wrote code. And now that they support cmd-tab, it will be even easier. If there was mouse support it could conceivably replace my laptop (especially if I ever embraced web based IDE's).

A "Super. Computer." with an "OS" which I can not use to write a program to run on that same "OS".

by ant6n 11y ago

A "Super. Computer." with an "OS" which I can not use to write a program to run on that same "OS".

It's technically a computer. And the "Super" is not even in the same sentence as the word "Computer." I don't think this is misleading. Furthermore, super just means better than average. The average computer by a general definition of computation runs with an ARM processor in a washing machine or toaster. So I conclude that, technically, it is "better than average." You wouldn't expect to write programs on a toaster, would you? (Although you probably could because toasters will run NetBSD. But toasters running NetBSD are not the average.)

ant6n 11y ago
So your response to me basically writing "it sucks that I can't even write programs on this, despite being sold as a powerful computer" is "You wouldn't expect to write programs on a toaster, would you?"
- QuantumRoar 11y ago
  Yes, because you buy a toaster to toast. And you buy a PC to code. I still haven't figured out why I would need a tablet. I understand why others might, but for me personally, I have no idea for what I would use it. If you are similar to me, i.e. you need a proper computer where you can hack away and do whatever you want, you were never meant to be an iPad customer. Due to the way Apple handles its operating system, you are at their mercy if you hope to be coding on an iPad anytime soon. I hope that your wishes come true but it might just not work out. When I notice that I can't do important things with a certain operating system, I move on and look for something more suitable. For me a computer should do exactly what I tell it and it should only be constrained by its hardware. I'm disgusted by software that artificially imposes limitations on what I can do with the computer I literally own.
  - ant6n 11y ago
    Apple's whole pitch is that you can use a Ipad Pro to replace your Windows machine and do work (something about a bunch of old Windows machines are still around and it being sad).

dwb 11y ago

Sure you can: http://omz-software.com/pythonista/ http://omz-software.com/pythonista/ But I know, you meant full-on apps. If we lived in a world where there were only locked-down, iOS-type computers, I'd agree with your indignation. But I think there's room enough for the iPad and all the other things out there. (Besides, can you imagine creating an app on the iPad? That'd take some incredible UI to not be awful. I do hope it comes along someday though.)

ant6n 11y ago
You can hook up a keyboard. Presumably a mouse? Just needs something like MacOs-arm.

merpnderp 11y ago

The iOS system isn't really useful for writing programs on the device mostly due to the filesystem being weirdly off limits to apps. But in the past I've used an iPad to SSH into servers where I happily wrote code. And now that they support cmd-tab, it will be even easier. If there was mouse support it could conceivably replace my laptop (especially if I ever embraced web based IDE's).