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See it go? I'd wait for the iPhone 7 event to see if 3D Touch is left to the history books.

by jug 11y ago

jbob2000 11y ago
Phone companies copy the best features from each other. You didn't see apple implementing Samsung's "show your face to unlock your phone" feature because it was kinda slow and dumb. Likewise, I don't see any Android phones with 3D touch. Yet when front-facing cameras came out, EVERYONE jumped on that feature, now your phone is dead in the water without it. It was left to the history books the moment other manufacturers said 'meh, we don't need this right now'.
- pfista 11y ago
  To be fair, some apps have implemented '3d' touch on android which is basically just a glorified long press, so you can at least access the same kind of ux purely through software.
  - the_mitsuhiko 11y ago
    Pretty sure that UI feature predates 3d touch many years.
    - skrowl 11y ago
      Android has had an API for getting pressure of a click since API level 5, which shipped with Android 2.0 "Eclair" in 2009 - https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent.html#getPressure() https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionE... Several apps came out within days of the Apple 3D Touch announcement, such as https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.casual_dev.forcetouch https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.casual_dev..., that were installable and worked on existing Android phones. Since it was basically evidence of another Apple copy-paste, this information was basically ignored by iGizmodo / iVerge / etc, so many people think that Apple "invented" pressure-sensitive touch events, despite getting them a full 5 years after Android. I believe that the reason that pressure sensitive apps were met with a "meh" on Android is because long-click works great and people understand it. Click to do a thing, long-click to get a context menu on a thing. It works everywhere, even on many Apple-developed iOS apps that haven't been "upgraded" to 3D Touch yet.
- Someone1234 11y ago
  Strongly agree. I went into the Apple store and couldn't even figure out how to get 3D touch to work and spent quite a while. After research it seems like you need to magically know which apps support it and even then which interfaces within the app. It is very obscure. Apple is often first to market with new stuff, and sometimes I look on in jealousy (e.g. when Siri first shipped), but 3D touch is one of those features I never want Android to copy. I think it makes Apple's ecosystem worse and is opposed to their "simple and straightforward" UI strategy. What were they thinking?
- exprx 11y ago
  >Yet when front-facing cameras came out, EVERYONE jumped on that feature, now your phone is dead in the water without it. When do you think front-facing cameras came out? The answer is, they were rather common in (non-touch) smartphones outside the U.S. before the first iPhone was even rumoured of, yet Apple only introduced one in the 4th generation of their phones.
- odinduty 11y ago
  Isn't "show your face to unlock your phone" part of the standard Android core, and not Samsung's creation?
kylec 11y ago
As far as I'm aware, Apple has never removed hardware functionality on a future generation of that iOS device. I would expect the iPhone 7, 7S, 8, etc to all have 3D Touch. Now, whether they continue to integrate it into more places in the OS will remain to be seen.
- knodi123 11y ago
  except headphone jacks
  - kylec 11y ago
    That will remain to be seen. Every iPhone, iPad, and Mac Apple is selling right now has a headphone jack.
  - cm2187 11y ago
    or the 30-pin dock-connector
    - kylec 11y ago
      I don't think this counts, as the Lightning connector retained the same functionality as the 30-pin connector. Sure, you can't connect old 30-pin cables or accessories without an adapter, but no functionality was lost.
      - cm2187 11y ago
        One could say the same of the audio jack
        kylec 11y ago
        There's a subtle distinction though - the 30-pin connector and the Lightning connector can only be used to connect to or from an iOS device. If Apple removed the headphone jack and encouraged people to buy Lighting headphones instead, those headphones could not be used to connect to anything else other than an iOS device, and you would not be able to use any of the headphones that use the standard connector on the new device. Basically, the 30-pin to Lightning changeover swapped one proprietary port for another, and did not change any of the potential use cases for that connector.

See it go? I'd wait for the iPhone 7 event to see if 3D Touch is left to the history books.

by jug 11y ago

See it go? I'd wait for the iPhone 7 event to see if 3D Touch is left to the history books.

jbob2000 11y ago

Phone companies copy the best features from each other. You didn't see apple implementing Samsung's "show your face to unlock your phone" feature because it was kinda slow and dumb. Likewise, I don't see any Android phones with 3D touch. Yet when front-facing cameras came out, EVERYONE jumped on that feature, now your phone is dead in the water without it. It was left to the history books the moment other manufacturers said 'meh, we don't need this right now'.

pfista 11y ago
To be fair, some apps have implemented '3d' touch on android which is basically just a glorified long press, so you can at least access the same kind of ux purely through software.
- the_mitsuhiko 11y ago
  Pretty sure that UI feature predates 3d touch many years.
  - skrowl 11y ago
    Android has had an API for getting pressure of a click since API level 5, which shipped with Android 2.0 "Eclair" in 2009 - https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent.html#getPressure() https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionE... Several apps came out within days of the Apple 3D Touch announcement, such as https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.casual_dev.forcetouch https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.casual_dev..., that were installable and worked on existing Android phones. Since it was basically evidence of another Apple copy-paste, this information was basically ignored by iGizmodo / iVerge / etc, so many people think that Apple "invented" pressure-sensitive touch events, despite getting them a full 5 years after Android. I believe that the reason that pressure sensitive apps were met with a "meh" on Android is because long-click works great and people understand it. Click to do a thing, long-click to get a context menu on a thing. It works everywhere, even on many Apple-developed iOS apps that haven't been "upgraded" to 3D Touch yet.
Someone1234 11y ago
Strongly agree. I went into the Apple store and couldn't even figure out how to get 3D touch to work and spent quite a while. After research it seems like you need to magically know which apps support it and even then which interfaces within the app. It is very obscure. Apple is often first to market with new stuff, and sometimes I look on in jealousy (e.g. when Siri first shipped), but 3D touch is one of those features I never want Android to copy. I think it makes Apple's ecosystem worse and is opposed to their "simple and straightforward" UI strategy. What were they thinking?
exprx 11y ago
>Yet when front-facing cameras came out, EVERYONE jumped on that feature, now your phone is dead in the water without it. When do you think front-facing cameras came out? The answer is, they were rather common in (non-touch) smartphones outside the U.S. before the first iPhone was even rumoured of, yet Apple only introduced one in the 4th generation of their phones.
odinduty 11y ago
Isn't "show your face to unlock your phone" part of the standard Android core, and not Samsung's creation?

kylec 11y ago

As far as I'm aware, Apple has never removed hardware functionality on a future generation of that iOS device. I would expect the iPhone 7, 7S, 8, etc to all have 3D Touch. Now, whether they continue to integrate it into more places in the OS will remain to be seen.

knodi123 11y ago
except headphone jacks
- kylec 11y ago
  That will remain to be seen. Every iPhone, iPad, and Mac Apple is selling right now has a headphone jack.
- cm2187 11y ago
  or the 30-pin dock-connector
  - kylec 11y ago
    I don't think this counts, as the Lightning connector retained the same functionality as the 30-pin connector. Sure, you can't connect old 30-pin cables or accessories without an adapter, but no functionality was lost.
    - cm2187 11y ago
      One could say the same of the audio jack
      - kylec 11y ago
        There's a subtle distinction though - the 30-pin connector and the Lightning connector can only be used to connect to or from an iOS device. If Apple removed the headphone jack and encouraged people to buy Lighting headphones instead, those headphones could not be used to connect to anything else other than an iOS device, and you would not be able to use any of the headphones that use the standard connector on the new device. Basically, the 30-pin to Lightning changeover swapped one proprietary port for another, and did not change any of the potential use cases for that connector.