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A full 24 hours worth of music (~33 complete albums) at 192 kbps is only 2GB.

by oconnore 11y ago

devindotcom 11y ago
And that's about all the space you'll have with ios and default apps!
- danieldk 11y ago
  I have an iPhone 5s 16 GB with a bunch of apps and games installed, plus some albums at 256/320 kbit/s and it currently has 6.5GB free.
  - Cyph0n 11y ago
    Add some photos and audio books, and it's basically full. 16 GB is too little for most use cases.
    - lcfcjs 11y ago
      I disagree, i think you have way too many apps, videos, music, podcasts, documents, get yourself sorted
    - danieldk 11y ago
      Depends on your use case. I use Dropbox for storing photos, since my network connection is generally good enough for it to be fast and seamless (I guess they send resized photos). I do keep music on my phone, but I don't need my > 500 album collection, just some new stuff that I change every couple of weeks. Among computer illiterates in my family it also doesn't seem to be a problem. My mother has been using 16GB iPads and iPod Touches for years and never ran out of storage. Sure, if you play lot's of > 1GB games (which seems to be typical these days), you don't want a 16GB model.
- Bud 11y ago
  Not accurate. Not close to accurate. 16GB models have around 10-11GB free after the OS and all default apps are installed.
ceejayoz 11y ago
Sure, but music isn't really the sticking point anymore. Infinity Blade 3 is 1.7 GB. A single photo takes up more space than a song from an album. 40 minutes worth of 4k video maxes out the device (and that's optimistically assuming the apps that come with the phone don't take up any space).
- n0us 11y ago
  For people like me who have no video, no games, and minimal music on their phones it's perfectly fine. I mostly just use a few messaging apps, instagram, snapchat, facebook, etc. The audience on HackerNews probably utilizes the space on their phones much more than the average consumer.
  - Throwaway23412 11y ago
    You think that the average consumer has no videos, games, or music on their phone? (And we forgetting photos and various other types of apps.) You sound like when data plan providers say "Our average customer doesn't use that much data." Of course they don't. They try to stay within the ridiculous limits providers give them. iOS 9 alone takes up a few GBs. The only reason the 16 GB option is the base option is because it anchors the price of iPhones. iPhones have an absurdly large profit margin, and price anchoring just provides the average consumer a psychological "out".
  - whatusername 11y ago
    I think you're forgetting photos.
  - vincentkriek 11y ago
    Pictures and movies are a huge factor for the average consumer. Every iphone owner in my family complains about lack of storage due to pictures taken.
- masklinn 11y ago
  > Sure, but music isn't really the sticking point anymore. Music is definitely a sticking point for me, I've got 30GB of music on my phone, and the same again in applications and games.
rpgmaker 11y ago
I don't want just 24 hours of music, I want a comprehensive sample of my entire music library. In my case it exceeds the 16gb (or whatever it's available after iOS + other apps) easily.
- noobermin 11y ago
  At least for all them youngins, we all use soundcloud of bandcamp for the most part. Depedent on data? Yes, but with that you get live updates of new songs or reposts from your favorite artists.
  - rpgmaker 11y ago
    I know this is the case for many people but I'm not a big fan of streaming media to my phone. It's expensive, unnecessary (for my use case) and too unreliable to my liking. I sometimes do it but I just don't rely on it.
    - noobermin 11y ago
      It might be a YMMV thing. For a lot of edm, soundcloud+bandcamp is more than enough. It's reliable enough for people with good bandwidth (I am lucky enough to be in that group), not to mention the collection is endless and well beyond anything I could fit on my phone...and it's fresher, as in when my favorite DJ/producer has a new song, I see it immediately, like it, comment to tell him/her directly, and so forth. This works well for EDM which doesn't quite follow the traditional "let's sit in a room and write 8 songs and release an album over a couple of months to years" production model. For EDM, where the rate of production is much quicker, streaming + the community makes a large part of the experience, so much so that without those social aspects, you're almost missing out. Moreover, as many have noticed here, there are only so many minutes in a day, so the actually amount of data you'll download is limited anyway, and the fact that its SC gives you the variety, so I find myself missing very little. However, for genres where the SC model doesn't work (or at least it isn't present), this doesn't help. When I want to listen to doom metal or psychedelic music, I'm left out and having to resort to what you do. And since I hate poor quality recordings and use flac when I can, my phone runs out of space quickly when I resort to carrying around a music collection.
ihsw 11y ago
I don't listen to albums anymore. Google Play Music has spoiled me -- their station selection is vast. Albums don't even mean anything to me. Plus I can upload all of my personal music collection to it and listen to it on the go, and it exceeds 2GB easily.
jandrese 11y ago
"Only 2GB", otherwise known as double your monthly data allowance?
- exprZ 11y ago
  Maybe it's time to upgrade your data plan if the current one isn't enough. Mine doesn't have data allowance caps of any kind.
  - jandrese 11y ago
    It's cheaper to get the $100 upgrade to 64G. Bigger data plans get expensive in a hurry here. Given that you're using a phone for at least a couple of years, paying an extra $40/month for the big data plan vs. $100 up front for enough storage not to need the upgrade just doesn't make sense. Of course if Apple didn't have to skimp so badly on the base phone the upgrade wouldn't be necessary. Shame so many Android phones are also 16GB. My experience with using microSD cards for more storage is a bit less than spectacular as well with so many of the stupid cards dying suddenly and without warning.
    - jonathantm 11y ago
      Also apps using sd for storage is on an app by app basis. So say if Google turns that off for Play Music - as it seems they just did - well, now I have to cancel my subscription for that service and find something else to use my 64gb sd for. ffs.
      - mentando 11y ago
        I would imagine that you can still move your music to the SDCard, even if the app itself cannot be moved. I don't know, since I do not use one, but at least for Spotify it is possible (as tested by my brother).
EC1 11y ago
Variable mp3's, smaller and higher quality.

A full 24 hours worth of music (~33 complete albums) at 192 kbps is only 2GB.

devindotcom 11y ago

And that's about all the space you'll have with ios and default apps!

danieldk 11y ago
I have an iPhone 5s 16 GB with a bunch of apps and games installed, plus some albums at 256/320 kbit/s and it currently has 6.5GB free.
- Cyph0n 11y ago
  Add some photos and audio books, and it's basically full. 16 GB is too little for most use cases.
  - lcfcjs 11y ago
    I disagree, i think you have way too many apps, videos, music, podcasts, documents, get yourself sorted
  - danieldk 11y ago
    Depends on your use case. I use Dropbox for storing photos, since my network connection is generally good enough for it to be fast and seamless (I guess they send resized photos). I do keep music on my phone, but I don't need my > 500 album collection, just some new stuff that I change every couple of weeks. Among computer illiterates in my family it also doesn't seem to be a problem. My mother has been using 16GB iPads and iPod Touches for years and never ran out of storage. Sure, if you play lot's of > 1GB games (which seems to be typical these days), you don't want a 16GB model.
Bud 11y ago
Not accurate. Not close to accurate. 16GB models have around 10-11GB free after the OS and all default apps are installed.

ceejayoz 11y ago

Sure, but music isn't really the sticking point anymore. Infinity Blade 3 is 1.7 GB. A single photo takes up more space than a song from an album. 40 minutes worth of 4k video maxes out the device (and that's optimistically assuming the apps that come with the phone don't take up any space).

n0us 11y ago
For people like me who have no video, no games, and minimal music on their phones it's perfectly fine. I mostly just use a few messaging apps, instagram, snapchat, facebook, etc. The audience on HackerNews probably utilizes the space on their phones much more than the average consumer.
- Throwaway23412 11y ago
  You think that the average consumer has no videos, games, or music on their phone? (And we forgetting photos and various other types of apps.) You sound like when data plan providers say "Our average customer doesn't use that much data." Of course they don't. They try to stay within the ridiculous limits providers give them. iOS 9 alone takes up a few GBs. The only reason the 16 GB option is the base option is because it anchors the price of iPhones. iPhones have an absurdly large profit margin, and price anchoring just provides the average consumer a psychological "out".
- whatusername 11y ago
  I think you're forgetting photos.
- vincentkriek 11y ago
  Pictures and movies are a huge factor for the average consumer. Every iphone owner in my family complains about lack of storage due to pictures taken.
masklinn 11y ago
> Sure, but music isn't really the sticking point anymore. Music is definitely a sticking point for me, I've got 30GB of music on my phone, and the same again in applications and games.

rpgmaker 11y ago

I don't want just 24 hours of music, I want a comprehensive sample of my entire music library. In my case it exceeds the 16gb (or whatever it's available after iOS + other apps) easily.

noobermin 11y ago
At least for all them youngins, we all use soundcloud of bandcamp for the most part. Depedent on data? Yes, but with that you get live updates of new songs or reposts from your favorite artists.
- rpgmaker 11y ago
  I know this is the case for many people but I'm not a big fan of streaming media to my phone. It's expensive, unnecessary (for my use case) and too unreliable to my liking. I sometimes do it but I just don't rely on it.
  - noobermin 11y ago
    It might be a YMMV thing. For a lot of edm, soundcloud+bandcamp is more than enough. It's reliable enough for people with good bandwidth (I am lucky enough to be in that group), not to mention the collection is endless and well beyond anything I could fit on my phone...and it's fresher, as in when my favorite DJ/producer has a new song, I see it immediately, like it, comment to tell him/her directly, and so forth. This works well for EDM which doesn't quite follow the traditional "let's sit in a room and write 8 songs and release an album over a couple of months to years" production model. For EDM, where the rate of production is much quicker, streaming + the community makes a large part of the experience, so much so that without those social aspects, you're almost missing out. Moreover, as many have noticed here, there are only so many minutes in a day, so the actually amount of data you'll download is limited anyway, and the fact that its SC gives you the variety, so I find myself missing very little. However, for genres where the SC model doesn't work (or at least it isn't present), this doesn't help. When I want to listen to doom metal or psychedelic music, I'm left out and having to resort to what you do. And since I hate poor quality recordings and use flac when I can, my phone runs out of space quickly when I resort to carrying around a music collection.

ihsw 11y ago

I don't listen to albums anymore. Google Play Music has spoiled me -- their station selection is vast. Albums don't even mean anything to me. Plus I can upload all of my personal music collection to it and listen to it on the go, and it exceeds 2GB easily.

jandrese 11y ago

"Only 2GB", otherwise known as double your monthly data allowance?

exprZ 11y ago
Maybe it's time to upgrade your data plan if the current one isn't enough. Mine doesn't have data allowance caps of any kind.
- jandrese 11y ago
  It's cheaper to get the $100 upgrade to 64G. Bigger data plans get expensive in a hurry here. Given that you're using a phone for at least a couple of years, paying an extra $40/month for the big data plan vs. $100 up front for enough storage not to need the upgrade just doesn't make sense. Of course if Apple didn't have to skimp so badly on the base phone the upgrade wouldn't be necessary. Shame so many Android phones are also 16GB. My experience with using microSD cards for more storage is a bit less than spectacular as well with so many of the stupid cards dying suddenly and without warning.
  - jonathantm 11y ago
    Also apps using sd for storage is on an app by app basis. So say if Google turns that off for Play Music - as it seems they just did - well, now I have to cancel my subscription for that service and find something else to use my 64gb sd for. ffs.
    - mentando 11y ago
      I would imagine that you can still move your music to the SDCard, even if the app itself cannot be moved. I don't know, since I do not use one, but at least for Spotify it is possible (as tested by my brother).

EC1 11y ago

Variable mp3's, smaller and higher quality.