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Except it is increasingly not fine. Even your response above is explicitly assuming the person who would say this doesn't like programming because they have no

Except it is increasingly not fine. Even your response above is explicitly assuming the person who would say this doesn't like programming because they have no interest in doing personal coding after their professional coding is done. As someone who really likes his job, derives significant satisfaction from it, and is constantly looking to get into more interesting work, yet doesn't feel like doing more than ~50 hours of this a week and has other interests (including creating run-on sentences apparently :P) that I wish to pursue, this false dichotomy between "Only cares about a paycheck" and "Passionate programmer who can't resist writing and publishing code" is damaging and demoralizing.

morgante 11y ago
I'm not the one who set up that assumption. TurboHaskal explicitly said that those of us who work on open source projects in our free time must be "faking passion...to appeal to recruiters." That implies a worldview where nobody does programming for fun and that open source contributors are just pursuing additional strategies for making money. It's a depressing thought and absolutely is antithetical to the notion of liking programming. It's fine if you have other interests and only want to program for 50 hours a week. But don't accuse me of "faking passion" because I program for 80 hours a week.
- st3v3r 11y ago
  "I'm not the one who set up that assumption." Even if you didn't, you certainly continued it.
- vonmoltke 11y ago
  Nowhere does TurboHaskal accuse people who work on open source projects of "faking passion". He said he should not be forced to "fake passion" by writing open source code just to have open source code, the implication being that if one were really passionate about software development one would be compelled to do so. It isn't a statement about people who actually want to work on open source projects outside their day jobs.
  - morgante 11y ago
    That interpretation of his words is taking the principle of charity to the point of distortion. > those useless Github projects that we all know are nothing but publicity stunts to appeal to recruiters. It's impossible to interpret this as anything but an attempt to indict open source projects as mere publicity stunts.

morgante 11y ago

I'm not the one who set up that assumption. TurboHaskal explicitly said that those of us who work on open source projects in our free time must be "faking passion...to appeal to recruiters." That implies a worldview where nobody does programming for fun and that open source contributors are just pursuing additional strategies for making money. It's a depressing thought and absolutely is antithetical to the notion of liking programming. It's fine if you have other interests and only want to program for 50 hours a week. But don't accuse me of "faking passion" because I program for 80 hours a week.

st3v3r 11y ago
"I'm not the one who set up that assumption." Even if you didn't, you certainly continued it.
vonmoltke 11y ago
Nowhere does TurboHaskal accuse people who work on open source projects of "faking passion". He said he should not be forced to "fake passion" by writing open source code just to have open source code, the implication being that if one were really passionate about software development one would be compelled to do so. It isn't a statement about people who actually want to work on open source projects outside their day jobs.
- morgante 11y ago
  That interpretation of his words is taking the principle of charity to the point of distortion. > those useless Github projects that we all know are nothing but publicity stunts to appeal to recruiters. It's impossible to interpret this as anything but an attempt to indict open source projects as mere publicity stunts.