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Well, they removed quite a bit when they added the Mac baggage. I still would rather have the interface to OpenStep 4 than the current OS X. The whole concept

Well, they removed quite a bit when they added the Mac baggage. I still would rather have the interface to OpenStep 4 than the current OS X. The whole concept of the menu bar on the top was nice on a 9" display, but it is a major pain on a 34" monitor.

kitsunesoba 11y ago
Conversely, I find it annoying to have to chase down menubars that follow their parent windows around on large, high resolution screens. The principles of a global menubar (being able to throw your cursor to hit it) still work on large screens... I just crank up cursor speed so hitting it takes roughly the same amount of physical movement as it did to do the same two or three decades ago.
- salgernon 11y ago
  Not useful, but I agree completely. See also Fitts's law: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law I like the ability to slam the cursor to the top of the screen either for purposes of using a menu or finding a "null" place where I can click to abort drags, or just locate the damn cursor. I'm also a caveman in thinking that multiple overlapping windows are ideal for programming and I hate the way Xcode has adopted the MDI style. I always end up using the "open quickly" dialog and typing the name of the document I want rather than any combination of hunting it down in a menu.
cmiles74 11y ago
Mac OS X isn't the only one that uses that space. Windows 10 still has the taskbar, which is about the same size. Gnome still has whatever you call the thing at the top of the primary display. IMHO, they all server roughly the same purpose.
- zeveb 11y ago
  stumpwm doesn't have any of that, and it's glorious. I can launch anything I want from a pop-up command line. Feels like the future of windowing systems!
mzs 11y ago
I'll reply to the thread here since I think many people have forgotten how NS menus worked. By default the appl menu was in the upper left, it went down and submenus opened to the right. You did not like it there, just move it to where ever you liked, NS remembered where you wanted it for every individual appl. Want access to to a particular submenu at any time, just tear it off and drag it to where ever you like. Don't want to move the mouse to get to the menu, just middle click and the appl menu appears under your mouse cursor. NS menu was best of both approaches.

kitsunesoba 11y ago

Conversely, I find it annoying to have to chase down menubars that follow their parent windows around on large, high resolution screens. The principles of a global menubar (being able to throw your cursor to hit it) still work on large screens... I just crank up cursor speed so hitting it takes roughly the same amount of physical movement as it did to do the same two or three decades ago.

salgernon 11y ago
Not useful, but I agree completely. See also Fitts's law: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law I like the ability to slam the cursor to the top of the screen either for purposes of using a menu or finding a "null" place where I can click to abort drags, or just locate the damn cursor. I'm also a caveman in thinking that multiple overlapping windows are ideal for programming and I hate the way Xcode has adopted the MDI style. I always end up using the "open quickly" dialog and typing the name of the document I want rather than any combination of hunting it down in a menu.

cmiles74 11y ago

Mac OS X isn't the only one that uses that space. Windows 10 still has the taskbar, which is about the same size. Gnome still has whatever you call the thing at the top of the primary display. IMHO, they all server roughly the same purpose.

zeveb 11y ago
stumpwm doesn't have any of that, and it's glorious. I can launch anything I want from a pop-up command line. Feels like the future of windowing systems!

mzs 11y ago

I'll reply to the thread here since I think many people have forgotten how NS menus worked. By default the appl menu was in the upper left, it went down and submenus opened to the right. You did not like it there, just move it to where ever you liked, NS remembered where you wanted it for every individual appl. Want access to to a particular submenu at any time, just tear it off and drag it to where ever you like. Don't want to move the mouse to get to the menu, just middle click and the appl menu appears under your mouse cursor. NS menu was best of both approaches.