And the thing that sucks is that a lot of the best places to get started as someone out of college is a .NET or otherwise boring shop. Not everyone who is talen

And the thing that sucks is that a lot of the best places to get started as someone out of college is a .NET or otherwise boring shop. Not everyone who is talented and intelligent has been programming since 7th grade or went to a brand-name school. Unemployment after graduation for CS majors is one of the highest because a lot of times they aren't ready for the real world. They get started in a .NET shop and grow in to better developers. I think we can all agree that if you consider your self good at this it's mainly because you had to or wanted to do it for real and thats where they get the experience to be on their own.