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Taiwan is mostly cash and they use a receipt lottery to encourage people to buy from vendors who give receipts. Each receipt has a number and there's a lottery

Taiwan is mostly cash and they use a receipt lottery to encourage people to buy from vendors who give receipts. Each receipt has a number and there's a lottery at the end of the month with cash prizes. Also, people here know they can report a business for not giving out receipts. They might get a share of recovered taxes for that. I don't know all the pros and cons of that setup but it seems there are ways to maintain a cash based system and still collect taxes.

kyrra 11y ago
China has something similar as well, called the Fapiao: http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2013/08/13/understanding-chinas-fapiao-invoice-system.html http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2013/08/13/understanding-... Though as I understand it, it requires a dot matrix printer to populate these receipts (or writing them by hand).
- studentrob 11y ago
  Hmm I don't remember receiving many receipts in China. I spent 3 months there over two occasions a couple years ago. Taiwan's implementation appears more successful to me. Fapiao means receipt, so that makes sense. There is some required hardware or software but doesn't seem any more cumbersome than a credit card machine and printer. Nearly every shop has them in TW. Edit: reading further I see China is rolling out their lottery in more areas the last few years
  - SimpleMinds 11y ago
    That's because you have to actively ask for it. If you don't, they never (almost) give it to you, as business buy those fapiaos from gov. We asked for them quite often and they gave them each time. Total, we won 2 cans of Coke and maybe 10 yuan :) Fun fact - fapiaos you get might be fake. Once I got fake fapiao, printed from fake printer, in fake taxi. I know it's fake because I tried to validate it online (there's service for that) after I noticed I got fake bill :/
    - studentrob 11y ago
      Ah okay. That's not so surprising I guess. Sometimes I feel TW has some advantage over China in being small. Like a startup, it can implement and pivot easily.
tomchentw 11y ago
Taiwanese confirmed here. Basically we use a lot of cash in our daily lives. The "hidden economy" still exists in some places, like some outdoor vendors or night markets.
tgb 11y ago
Is this game-able by buying lots of things for a penny each from your own store, that kind of thing?
- studentrob 11y ago
  Somewhat but I imagine you'd risk getting caught =) One thing I wonder is if you have an increased likelihood of winning if you buy more. Does a $1 purchase give you the same chance to win $100 as a $20 purchase? I don't really know. Over 100 receipts you usually win like $5
  - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
    Make the winnings be a multiplier of the tax paid on the receipt.
  - SilasX 11y ago
    Maybe they could make each receipt give you a block of numbers in proportion to how much you spent.
hawkice 11y ago
I was familiar with the lotteries (didn't participate -- I just put my receipts in the charity buckets or the trash) but had NO IDEA this was why. I just assumed it was because the culture is just much more amenable to gambling (which I think is also true, but might not be the reason it's tied to receipts). If this is truly the reason for the lotteries, is the government / tax agency giving out the prizes? I never bothered to look closely but it always seemed something run by those businesses.
- studentrob 11y ago
  > If this is truly the reason for the lotteries, is the government / tax agency giving out the prizes? Yes of course. Every country has trouble collecting taxes. In Taiwan they memorialize the day when the police were too heavy handed with a woman selling untaxed cigarettes. A citizen died in the skirmish. This day is 2/28 and largely remembered as the beginning of a 40 year period of martial law in Taiwan. I recommend visiting the 228 museum in Taipei's peace park. Even though the current government, KMT, revised the history in this museum to downplay the fact that 20,000 people went missing in Taiwan during this period, the museum still tells a great story. It's great because the story wouldn't exist at all in a place without free speech, such as China.

kyrra 11y ago

China has something similar as well, called the Fapiao: http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2013/08/13/understanding-chinas-fapiao-invoice-system.html http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2013/08/13/understanding-... Though as I understand it, it requires a dot matrix printer to populate these receipts (or writing them by hand).

studentrob 11y ago
Hmm I don't remember receiving many receipts in China. I spent 3 months there over two occasions a couple years ago. Taiwan's implementation appears more successful to me. Fapiao means receipt, so that makes sense. There is some required hardware or software but doesn't seem any more cumbersome than a credit card machine and printer. Nearly every shop has them in TW. Edit: reading further I see China is rolling out their lottery in more areas the last few years
- SimpleMinds 11y ago
  That's because you have to actively ask for it. If you don't, they never (almost) give it to you, as business buy those fapiaos from gov. We asked for them quite often and they gave them each time. Total, we won 2 cans of Coke and maybe 10 yuan :) Fun fact - fapiaos you get might be fake. Once I got fake fapiao, printed from fake printer, in fake taxi. I know it's fake because I tried to validate it online (there's service for that) after I noticed I got fake bill :/
  - studentrob 11y ago
    Ah okay. That's not so surprising I guess. Sometimes I feel TW has some advantage over China in being small. Like a startup, it can implement and pivot easily.

tomchentw 11y ago

Taiwanese confirmed here. Basically we use a lot of cash in our daily lives. The "hidden economy" still exists in some places, like some outdoor vendors or night markets.

tgb 11y ago

Is this game-able by buying lots of things for a penny each from your own store, that kind of thing?

studentrob 11y ago
Somewhat but I imagine you'd risk getting caught =) One thing I wonder is if you have an increased likelihood of winning if you buy more. Does a $1 purchase give you the same chance to win $100 as a $20 purchase? I don't really know. Over 100 receipts you usually win like $5
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  Make the winnings be a multiplier of the tax paid on the receipt.
- SilasX 11y ago
  Maybe they could make each receipt give you a block of numbers in proportion to how much you spent.

hawkice 11y ago

I was familiar with the lotteries (didn't participate -- I just put my receipts in the charity buckets or the trash) but had NO IDEA this was why. I just assumed it was because the culture is just much more amenable to gambling (which I think is also true, but might not be the reason it's tied to receipts). If this is truly the reason for the lotteries, is the government / tax agency giving out the prizes? I never bothered to look closely but it always seemed something run by those businesses.

studentrob 11y ago
> If this is truly the reason for the lotteries, is the government / tax agency giving out the prizes? Yes of course. Every country has trouble collecting taxes. In Taiwan they memorialize the day when the police were too heavy handed with a woman selling untaxed cigarettes. A citizen died in the skirmish. This day is 2/28 and largely remembered as the beginning of a 40 year period of martial law in Taiwan. I recommend visiting the 228 museum in Taipei's peace park. Even though the current government, KMT, revised the history in this museum to downplay the fact that 20,000 people went missing in Taiwan during this period, the museum still tells a great story. It's great because the story wouldn't exist at all in a place without free speech, such as China.