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HN appears to be just about the only place on the internet where a majority (or at least a very vocal minority) thinks this was OK and feels the need to defend

HN appears to be just about the only place on the internet where a majority (or at least a very vocal minority) thinks this was OK and feels the need to defend it. I think that's telling about our industry and the startup portion of it in particular.

rewqfdsa 11y ago
On the contrary, outside the bay area and a few SJW outposts, you'll be hard-pressed to see much outrage.
- cauterized 11y ago
  Have you read ANY of the (abundant) mainstream media reporting on the topic? Because that doesn't in the least correspond with what I was seeing written all weekend.
  - rewqfdsa 11y ago
    The media (especially the tech media) are not the country. Ask real people.
    - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
      What is a 'real person' by your definition.
    - tptacek 11y ago
      You mean go out in this great country of ours, skipping the lamestream media and talking to great red, white, and blue, through and through, the real people of America, you know, people of faith and the Constitution, and tell those liberals and media elites they can go pound sand, I tell ya?
spriggan3 11y ago
> HN appears to be just about the only place on the internet where a majority (or at least a very vocal minority) thinks this was OK and feels the need to defend it. I think that's telling about our industry and the startup portion of it in particular. Nobody's defending anything. The faux outrage on the other hand is just ridiculous. Most people outraged by that weren't even at the event. On the other hand given how packed the venue was, clearly people enjoyed it. Good for them.
- rewqfdsa 11y ago
  And people wonder why Trump is winning. You can't go around telling people for years that they're evil for existing and being people and feeling things people normally feel, then not expect some kind of backlash.
  - cauterized 11y ago
    You mean like telling women we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, such as wanting to be seen as equally capable when we are? Telling us we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, such as enjoying coding and playing video games? Telling us we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, such as frustrated when we're marginalized. Telling us we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, like sensing we're being patronized when a conference holds a session specifically about telling us we're included and wanted in the industry, but the celebration of the conference assumes that everyone attending is a hetero male and reenforces the industry's not-so-subtle inference that women's primary value to it is in their sexuality? What about asking people to be respectful and empathetic to people who tend to get treated differently from how they do is the same as telling people they're evil for existing and being people?
- tptacek 11y ago
  Nobody's defending anything... except you, just a couple sentences later, in the same paragraph. Not only that, but your defense is: "clearly people enjoyed it". That's what you came up with.

rewqfdsa 11y ago

On the contrary, outside the bay area and a few SJW outposts, you'll be hard-pressed to see much outrage.

cauterized 11y ago
Have you read ANY of the (abundant) mainstream media reporting on the topic? Because that doesn't in the least correspond with what I was seeing written all weekend.
- rewqfdsa 11y ago
  The media (especially the tech media) are not the country. Ask real people.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
    What is a 'real person' by your definition.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    You mean go out in this great country of ours, skipping the lamestream media and talking to great red, white, and blue, through and through, the real people of America, you know, people of faith and the Constitution, and tell those liberals and media elites they can go pound sand, I tell ya?

spriggan3 11y ago

> HN appears to be just about the only place on the internet where a majority (or at least a very vocal minority) thinks this was OK and feels the need to defend it. I think that's telling about our industry and the startup portion of it in particular. Nobody's defending anything. The faux outrage on the other hand is just ridiculous. Most people outraged by that weren't even at the event. On the other hand given how packed the venue was, clearly people enjoyed it. Good for them.

rewqfdsa 11y ago
And people wonder why Trump is winning. You can't go around telling people for years that they're evil for existing and being people and feeling things people normally feel, then not expect some kind of backlash.
- cauterized 11y ago
  You mean like telling women we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, such as wanting to be seen as equally capable when we are? Telling us we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, such as enjoying coding and playing video games? Telling us we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, such as frustrated when we're marginalized. Telling us we're wrong for feeling things people normally feel, like sensing we're being patronized when a conference holds a session specifically about telling us we're included and wanted in the industry, but the celebration of the conference assumes that everyone attending is a hetero male and reenforces the industry's not-so-subtle inference that women's primary value to it is in their sexuality? What about asking people to be respectful and empathetic to people who tend to get treated differently from how they do is the same as telling people they're evil for existing and being people?
tptacek 11y ago
Nobody's defending anything... except you, just a couple sentences later, in the same paragraph. Not only that, but your defense is: "clearly people enjoyed it". That's what you came up with.