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> I find Windows (and Outlook and let's not talk about Sharepoint) not a good product and thus not worth the money This is exactly what I mean. Them opening up

by lagadu 11y ago

> I find Windows (and Outlook and let's not talk about Sharepoint) not a good product and thus not worth the money This is exactly what I mean. Them opening up the patents wouldn't change your bias against their products (justified or otherwise isn't relevant) like you just described, making it a business decision with very, very limited gains and billions in losses.

abiox 11y ago
you seem to say that windows is objectively good and worth the money, irrespective of their circumstance. otherwise, what could "wouldn't change your bias" mean?
- lagadu 11y ago
  I'm not saying anything objective about its worth. Under some circumstances it has a certain value, under other circumstances it has a different one. By bias I meant that you flat out said that Windows and a few other MS products aren't worth the money and don't understand why anybody would use it. Now sure, it's possible that after careful consideration you decided in a completely unbiased manner that the products you listed aren't worth their cost under any circumstances but I'm sure you'll agree how that might sound incredibly biased to a casual observer. edit: well except sharepoint like you said. That thing is just bad and I've no problem admitting to a bias against it.
tluyben2 11y ago
Well you were talking about 'hate' which would make me say I don't like the products because I don't like the company. That's not the case; I actually try Windows at every new version because I have to make sure my products run on it, but it's just annoying for me compared to Linux (and Mac OS X); the productivity is just very low. Objectively I have seen that our employees get more productive when they switch to a unix but that's just anecdotal and not interesting here, but it's not because of hate for MS. I would really want to work for MSR and especially on things like [1]. It would not change my bias because they are, to me again, not good products, however there are products they make which I do like and I would be more inclined to pay money for them if they were less evil. And to me (and I believe a lot of programmers) that means software patents. I find patents in general a wrong concept but you need them (especially in the US) to defend yourself against other companies using them or trolls suing you. [1] http://www.rise4fun.com/ http://www.rise4fun.com/

by lagadu 11y ago

abiox 11y ago

you seem to say that windows is objectively good and worth the money, irrespective of their circumstance. otherwise, what could "wouldn't change your bias" mean?

lagadu 11y ago
I'm not saying anything objective about its worth. Under some circumstances it has a certain value, under other circumstances it has a different one. By bias I meant that you flat out said that Windows and a few other MS products aren't worth the money and don't understand why anybody would use it. Now sure, it's possible that after careful consideration you decided in a completely unbiased manner that the products you listed aren't worth their cost under any circumstances but I'm sure you'll agree how that might sound incredibly biased to a casual observer. edit: well except sharepoint like you said. That thing is just bad and I've no problem admitting to a bias against it.

tluyben2 11y ago

Well you were talking about 'hate' which would make me say I don't like the products because I don't like the company. That's not the case; I actually try Windows at every new version because I have to make sure my products run on it, but it's just annoying for me compared to Linux (and Mac OS X); the productivity is just very low. Objectively I have seen that our employees get more productive when they switch to a unix but that's just anecdotal and not interesting here, but it's not because of hate for MS. I would really want to work for MSR and especially on things like [1]. It would not change my bias because they are, to me again, not good products, however there are products they make which I do like and I would be more inclined to pay money for them if they were less evil. And to me (and I believe a lot of programmers) that means software patents. I find patents in general a wrong concept but you need them (especially in the US) to defend yourself against other companies using them or trolls suing you. [1] http://www.rise4fun.com/ http://www.rise4fun.com/