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Why not even trying to get something fair? I have the feeling that you don't value much your work to accept this state of affairs between you and whoever emplo

by cranium 11y ago

Why not even trying to get something fair? I have the feeling that you don't value much your work to accept this state of affairs between you and whoever employs you. If you deliver quality products and can negotiate a bit, employers will pay you more and you will feel respected for your work. Go get paid for what you're worth, not just for being able to keep food on your plate. It's not OK to continue being exploited.

SlySherZ 11y ago
Would you rather have 32 or 128GB of RAM on your computer? It's a rather pointless question right? As long as you have enough, having more is not worth the hassle. Same thing with currency, as long the threshold is met, the rest is worthless (IMO). It's not that I don't value my work, but instead that more money doesn't mean more value for me, so even if a company wanted to reward me more they couldn't add more value through money. Don't you think having a peaceful life doing what you like to do in exchange for your work is a fair deal? I think it is ^ ^
- nmrm2 11y ago
  Even if you only care about programming, you should still try to get a fair deal. Places that treat you fair are more likely to have high-quality senior devs who will make you better at your craft. Aynways, the currency does still matter. Take it, throw it in a retirement account, and then build whatever the hell you want post-retirement. Building X might be fun, but after N years building slight variations of X you'll probably want to go off and make something else. Maybe even something people won't pay you to make. And then having those extra $$$ will make all the difference in the world.
- lgieron 11y ago
  > As long as you have enough, having more is not worth the hassle. For money, 'Enough' is FU money (i.e. not having to work again in your life).
  - SlySherZ 11y ago
    Not really. Would you enjoy a game that starts with 100% progress? Probably yes, but not for long. Having no safety net means I have to keep moving no matter what.
    - lgieron 11y ago
      Well, for one thing, there's more to life than earning money necessary to prevent starvation...
    - st3v3r 11y ago
      Having no money means you don't get to do anything, and you have to take their shit, too. Having money means you get to choose what you do.
- croon 11y ago
  I see where you're coming from, and on the one hand it is admirable, but on the other hand: This is all fine and dandy when say you're working for a non-profit, or DWB, or open source or whatever else betterment of mankind. The point here is that sure you're doing what you love and that's enough for you, but the only one benefitting from it is your employer. If you don't feel that you need that money, negotiate for it and donate it to something of your choice and feel even better about what you're doing, but don't line someone elses pockets with your benevolence. That's my 2 cents.
- kbenson 11y ago
  I guess that depends on whether RAM can be hoarded away for a later greater need, where I might find the need/want to use hundreds of GB of RAM, or I might need 32GB of ram when there's none available. If you're having trouble making sense of that, it's because the way money and RAM function are fundamentally different, so it makes for a poor metaphor.

by cranium 11y ago

SlySherZ 11y ago

Would you rather have 32 or 128GB of RAM on your computer? It's a rather pointless question right? As long as you have enough, having more is not worth the hassle. Same thing with currency, as long the threshold is met, the rest is worthless (IMO). It's not that I don't value my work, but instead that more money doesn't mean more value for me, so even if a company wanted to reward me more they couldn't add more value through money. Don't you think having a peaceful life doing what you like to do in exchange for your work is a fair deal? I think it is ^ ^

nmrm2 11y ago
Even if you only care about programming, you should still try to get a fair deal. Places that treat you fair are more likely to have high-quality senior devs who will make you better at your craft. Aynways, the currency does still matter. Take it, throw it in a retirement account, and then build whatever the hell you want post-retirement. Building X might be fun, but after N years building slight variations of X you'll probably want to go off and make something else. Maybe even something people won't pay you to make. And then having those extra $$$ will make all the difference in the world.
lgieron 11y ago
> As long as you have enough, having more is not worth the hassle. For money, 'Enough' is FU money (i.e. not having to work again in your life).
- SlySherZ 11y ago
  Not really. Would you enjoy a game that starts with 100% progress? Probably yes, but not for long. Having no safety net means I have to keep moving no matter what.
  - lgieron 11y ago
    Well, for one thing, there's more to life than earning money necessary to prevent starvation...
  - st3v3r 11y ago
    Having no money means you don't get to do anything, and you have to take their shit, too. Having money means you get to choose what you do.
croon 11y ago
I see where you're coming from, and on the one hand it is admirable, but on the other hand: This is all fine and dandy when say you're working for a non-profit, or DWB, or open source or whatever else betterment of mankind. The point here is that sure you're doing what you love and that's enough for you, but the only one benefitting from it is your employer. If you don't feel that you need that money, negotiate for it and donate it to something of your choice and feel even better about what you're doing, but don't line someone elses pockets with your benevolence. That's my 2 cents.
kbenson 11y ago
I guess that depends on whether RAM can be hoarded away for a later greater need, where I might find the need/want to use hundreds of GB of RAM, or I might need 32GB of ram when there's none available. If you're having trouble making sense of that, it's because the way money and RAM function are fundamentally different, so it makes for a poor metaphor.