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Experienced devs are super annoying; telling you it's not a good idea to replace your GUI stack with a browser and whatnot.

collyw 11y ago
Not as annoying as junior devs who refuse to take your advice
- xerophyte12932 11y ago
  What I think in such cases is "unless I can convince him that this is a bad idea, then I should let him do it". Yes, I understand that sometimes we aren't entirely sure why a thing is bad, we just have a gut feeling that it would break something, or is a bad practice. So first off I try to convince them with everything I got. That usually works if I have solid concrete reasons. If I don't and let them do it there way. Sometimes it turns out my instincts were right and I get to learn exactly what was right about them. Sometimes it turns out I was wrong and his way was much more efficient and I get to learn something new. Either way, it doesn't make the junior dev feel I am imposing my will on him. People tend to work harder when they feel it was their idea.
  - voltagex_ 11y ago
    When I was a junior dev (and some days I still feel like that), sometimes I needed to write a proof of concept to see why something wouldn't work. Luckily this kind of development (at least in the early stages of a project) was encouraged. I still throw together small scripts and apps to test ideas all the time (http://github.com/voltagex/junkcode http://github.com/voltagex/junkcode)
    - collyw 11y ago
      I would assume most devs do the same all the time to benchmark technologies or approaches to problems. (Then again I seem to meet far more devs who are telling me about using shiny new tech X and how amazing it is, than ones who actually tell me about how a specific tech solves their use case).
- jschwartzi 11y ago
  But about as annoying as senior devs who give bad advice or ignore half the words in your sentences and then give you bad advice, or who start giving you bad advice during a planning meeting after a 30 second brief about your problem that was directed to your manager.
- croon 11y ago
  subtle helpful nudge about that being the joke
cplat 11y ago
And they prefer using uncool tools intelligently to solve a complex problem; rather than using the next cool thing dumbly that creates more problems than it solves.
- simula67 11y ago
  And sometimes they are unbelievably set in their ways, for example using procedural code ( STATIC ALL THE THINGS! ) in Object Oriented languages like Java.
  - mooreds 11y ago
    And that's the rub. When you are hiring experienced devs, are you getting Mr I-use-staticz or are you getting Ms Let's-use-boring-tech-because-it-works?
- majewsky 11y ago
  Exactly. More than once I've written a small shell script to do things that other people do in multiple KLOC of Go or NodeJS.
  - sqldba 11y ago
    When I quit my prior job, they started a multi-month project to replace all of my PowerShell with "proper" C#. Then they decided it was too hard, threw it all away, and just decommissioned parts of the application and run everything else manually. Working under brilliant minds like that you can see why I quit.
    - yardie 11y ago
      Sounds like a bunch of C# devs who didn't know Powershell and couldn't be arsed to learn it. Even though it has similar syntax. To some developers every problem requires the only hammer they have. Must have been really bad. Why not just hire you on as a consultant?
      - 11y ago

collyw 11y ago

Not as annoying as junior devs who refuse to take your advice

xerophyte12932 11y ago
What I think in such cases is "unless I can convince him that this is a bad idea, then I should let him do it". Yes, I understand that sometimes we aren't entirely sure why a thing is bad, we just have a gut feeling that it would break something, or is a bad practice. So first off I try to convince them with everything I got. That usually works if I have solid concrete reasons. If I don't and let them do it there way. Sometimes it turns out my instincts were right and I get to learn exactly what was right about them. Sometimes it turns out I was wrong and his way was much more efficient and I get to learn something new. Either way, it doesn't make the junior dev feel I am imposing my will on him. People tend to work harder when they feel it was their idea.
- voltagex_ 11y ago
  When I was a junior dev (and some days I still feel like that), sometimes I needed to write a proof of concept to see why something wouldn't work. Luckily this kind of development (at least in the early stages of a project) was encouraged. I still throw together small scripts and apps to test ideas all the time (http://github.com/voltagex/junkcode http://github.com/voltagex/junkcode)
  - collyw 11y ago
    I would assume most devs do the same all the time to benchmark technologies or approaches to problems. (Then again I seem to meet far more devs who are telling me about using shiny new tech X and how amazing it is, than ones who actually tell me about how a specific tech solves their use case).
jschwartzi 11y ago
But about as annoying as senior devs who give bad advice or ignore half the words in your sentences and then give you bad advice, or who start giving you bad advice during a planning meeting after a 30 second brief about your problem that was directed to your manager.
croon 11y ago
subtle helpful nudge about that being the joke

cplat 11y ago

And they prefer using uncool tools intelligently to solve a complex problem; rather than using the next cool thing dumbly that creates more problems than it solves.

simula67 11y ago
And sometimes they are unbelievably set in their ways, for example using procedural code ( STATIC ALL THE THINGS! ) in Object Oriented languages like Java.
- mooreds 11y ago
  And that's the rub. When you are hiring experienced devs, are you getting Mr I-use-staticz or are you getting Ms Let's-use-boring-tech-because-it-works?
majewsky 11y ago
Exactly. More than once I've written a small shell script to do things that other people do in multiple KLOC of Go or NodeJS.
- sqldba 11y ago
  When I quit my prior job, they started a multi-month project to replace all of my PowerShell with "proper" C#. Then they decided it was too hard, threw it all away, and just decommissioned parts of the application and run everything else manually. Working under brilliant minds like that you can see why I quit.
  - yardie 11y ago
    Sounds like a bunch of C# devs who didn't know Powershell and couldn't be arsed to learn it. Even though it has similar syntax. To some developers every problem requires the only hammer they have. Must have been really bad. Why not just hire you on as a consultant?
    - 11y ago