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HN users confuse me quite a bit. How would they confirm if you are lying or Telling the truth? I believe the only wah would be to confirm from the organizati

HN users confuse me quite a bit. How would they confirm if you are lying or Telling the truth? I believe the only wah would be to confirm from the organization owner. Or else, ANYONE can claim to have done any project. I believe they do the same verification (it's simple verification) for roles in an organization.e.g Adviser, Co founder, Investor etc. And the verification is the other way too. If an employer adds you as an employee, you are to verify it too. I struggle to find what the issue is. Perhaps they should have told you they were going to verify your project? Animats / John, when you invite your friend on a social network and they send a message on your behalf, is that criminal too? Remember, OP(Oliver) took an action by claiming he did a project in an organization. It could have been true or false. Don Hopkins, take a deep breath man. You can pass a message without being mean. Except that's the intention for a reason not stated here. In that case, it's all good.

gedrap 11y ago
Think, when people usually update their profile on angellist, linkedin, etc? Usually, when looking for a new job. And normally, you'd rather not share the fact that you're looking for something with your current company as they might start looking for your replacement before you're ready. >>> Perhaps they should have told you they were going to verify your project? That would a huge difference and that's why the frustration - it's not something expected.
- OoTheNigerian 11y ago
  It's a semi prison if you are not allowed to update your profile at a job you work. Remember, the person in question had to chose they were in the said organization and did a certain project. Anyway, asking Angelist to show any claim will be confirmed is not asking for too much. However, it is not such a scandal as OP makes it out to be.
  - uniclaude 11y ago
    > It's a semi prison if you are not allowed to update your profile at a job you work. It's not disallowed, it's just not good. You might not pay attention when your employees are looking for other jobs, but most business owners do, and react rather negatively to it. > it is not such a scandal as OP makes it out to be OP posted a one-line "Tell HN" comment, you're actually the one calling it a scandal.
    - OoTheNigerian 11y ago
      Well, to each organization his to his or her own. You are right re: the second part. I projected the "WHAT A SCANDAL??!!" comment thread to the OP. As an aside though. Is there something wring for an employer to know ahead of time if their employee is planning to leave? Of course if an employee updating their profile gets you panicked, then you are not doing something right. So I am speaking of non paranoid situations.
      - gedrap 11y ago
        In the ideal world, you probably should have enough redundancy in terms of human resources so that one person leaving is just slightly inconvenient. Also, as an employer, you should be realistic that it's just a job to most of the people and they will leave whenever a better offer comes, just a matter of time. So in the ideal world, there's nothing wrong. However, we don't live in such a world, unfortunately, and should adjust accordingly. There are many small companies that would struggle horribly if one of the key employees would leave, and eventually they will. Also, some employers expect loyalty and treat it very personally if they know that someone's is definitely looking to jump the ship. It's right, I agree, but that's how it is usually.
Hytosys 11y ago
Employers are necessarily oppressive and may fire employees over this sort of notification if the listed project or the AngelList profile in general is against business interests. If it wasn't clear already, this sort of move shows exactly who AngelList is serving. After all, as you said, how will the employer, in their contractual fantasies, ever be able to confirm that a potential interviewee is telling the truth?
- OoTheNigerian 11y ago
  I don't work for AngelList however I think this is overblown. If you add yourself to an open site, your employer will see it. It is indexed on Google. It shows up when you search the site for the organization. Are you saying as an owner of an organization, you are happy for anyone to claim to be an employee and to have done any project at your company without you knowing? Should I be able to claim I did the Dropbox AWS migration without the folks at Dropbox getting notified I am making the claim? It would be bizarre for an employer to fire an employee for stating (s)he works at the company and did a project. But what do I know.
  - dhimes 11y ago
    The creepy part to me is that the email pretended to be from the employee, not AL. I am actually curious to know exactly what that email looked like.

gedrap 11y ago

Think, when people usually update their profile on angellist, linkedin, etc? Usually, when looking for a new job. And normally, you'd rather not share the fact that you're looking for something with your current company as they might start looking for your replacement before you're ready. >>> Perhaps they should have told you they were going to verify your project? That would a huge difference and that's why the frustration - it's not something expected.

OoTheNigerian 11y ago
It's a semi prison if you are not allowed to update your profile at a job you work. Remember, the person in question had to chose they were in the said organization and did a certain project. Anyway, asking Angelist to show any claim will be confirmed is not asking for too much. However, it is not such a scandal as OP makes it out to be.
- uniclaude 11y ago
  > It's a semi prison if you are not allowed to update your profile at a job you work. It's not disallowed, it's just not good. You might not pay attention when your employees are looking for other jobs, but most business owners do, and react rather negatively to it. > it is not such a scandal as OP makes it out to be OP posted a one-line "Tell HN" comment, you're actually the one calling it a scandal.
  - OoTheNigerian 11y ago
    Well, to each organization his to his or her own. You are right re: the second part. I projected the "WHAT A SCANDAL??!!" comment thread to the OP. As an aside though. Is there something wring for an employer to know ahead of time if their employee is planning to leave? Of course if an employee updating their profile gets you panicked, then you are not doing something right. So I am speaking of non paranoid situations.
    - gedrap 11y ago
      In the ideal world, you probably should have enough redundancy in terms of human resources so that one person leaving is just slightly inconvenient. Also, as an employer, you should be realistic that it's just a job to most of the people and they will leave whenever a better offer comes, just a matter of time. So in the ideal world, there's nothing wrong. However, we don't live in such a world, unfortunately, and should adjust accordingly. There are many small companies that would struggle horribly if one of the key employees would leave, and eventually they will. Also, some employers expect loyalty and treat it very personally if they know that someone's is definitely looking to jump the ship. It's right, I agree, but that's how it is usually.

Hytosys 11y ago

Employers are necessarily oppressive and may fire employees over this sort of notification if the listed project or the AngelList profile in general is against business interests. If it wasn't clear already, this sort of move shows exactly who AngelList is serving. After all, as you said, how will the employer, in their contractual fantasies, ever be able to confirm that a potential interviewee is telling the truth?

OoTheNigerian 11y ago
I don't work for AngelList however I think this is overblown. If you add yourself to an open site, your employer will see it. It is indexed on Google. It shows up when you search the site for the organization. Are you saying as an owner of an organization, you are happy for anyone to claim to be an employee and to have done any project at your company without you knowing? Should I be able to claim I did the Dropbox AWS migration without the folks at Dropbox getting notified I am making the claim? It would be bizarre for an employer to fire an employee for stating (s)he works at the company and did a project. But what do I know.
- dhimes 11y ago
  The creepy part to me is that the email pretended to be from the employee, not AL. I am actually curious to know exactly what that email looked like.