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Inside job, anyone?

by luminary 17y ago

Inside job, anyone?

tbgvi 17y ago
How much karma do I need before I can down vote someone? This seemed like a good place to ask.
- jazzychad 17y ago
  200, in my experience. Interestingly, you cannot downvote top-level comments on stories that you submit, however you can downvote the children comments.
  - philwelch 17y ago
    You can't downvote any comment that's an immediate child of an item you posted, whether that item is a comment or a submission. For the general sense of "you".
- luminary 17y ago
  Irrespective of the down-votes, I do see another user expressing something similar. "I'm suspicious it is somehow related to the oil overlords. Big money, big risks."
  - fnid2 17y ago
    c'mon, get real. Do you really think there are people out there looking for Cessnas flying around shooting them down if there are EV execs on board? What did they do? Shoot a missile through the fog? Take it down with a privately owned F14? Plant a bomb on it before it took off? It's a ridiculous hypothesis.
    - natrius 17y ago
      I don't know anything about planes, but my hunch is that sabotaging an airplane, especially a private one, is easier than you're making it sound.
      - anigbrowl 17y ago
        Your hunch is largely mistaken. Of course it can be done. But methods like a bomb or remote trigger are apt to leave forensic evidence, and sabotage qua damage to the plane is likely to be found either during pre-flight checks and/or a pilot reporting a problem tower before the crash occurs. Unless an air crash takes place at sea or a very remote location, the chance of sabotage going undetected within the USA is low. All plane crashes in this country are subjected to detailed forensic examination by the NTSB.
        sokoloff 17y ago
        For GA, the NTSB pretty much only responds to fatal crashes, and even there if the cause is "routine" (controlled flight into terrain, spatial disorientation loss of control) there won't be much in the way of a detailed investigation. Have a non-fatal accident and you as pilot-in-command are required to report it within 72 hours, but no one from the NTSB is likely to ever see the aircraft in question in person. Commercial Part 121 crashes get large amounts of attention and amazing levels of effort (the reconstruction of TWA800 is astonishing to me). If I bend my 182 and don't kill anyone, they'll only know about it because I have to tell them and they'll file my submission away.
      - noonespecial 17y ago
        To call an NTSB post crash investigation rigorous is still a gross understatement. They will piece every little twisted bit of tin back together to find out what happened. Sabotaging a plane is easy, sabotaging a plane and leaving no trace is almost impossible.
    - c1sc0 17y ago
      "What did they do? Shoot a missile through the fog?" ... They didn't have to ... instrument flight is notoriously difficult.
  - anigbrowl 17y ago
    2 wrongs don't make a right (I know that's usually said of morality rather than logic but...). Someone always says this anytime there's a plane crash and someone slightly famous dies, but frankly it would be a pretty stupid way to assassinate someone - hard to coordinate, and far too easy to leave a forensic trail that's a mile wide. Tesla is not and was never about to put any big oil company out of business; even if they were, it would be so much simpler to undermine the company by corrupting personnel with money, drugs or sex. The sad facts are that taking off/landing a plane is hard work and doing so on instruments is particularly dangerous, and that being capable and successful does not confer immortality. It's not even tragic: it's just plain old bad luck for the colleagues and families of these people, and that's the saddest fact of all.
korch 17y ago
It wouldn't be the first time. Remember that IT guy who admin'd Bush's secret gwb43.com email servers(in overt defiance of mandated Federal record keeping laws) and who was involved with the election fraud in Ohio? That guy who conveniently died in a small plane crash in 08' right before he was facing summons to testify before Congress? Oh and look at that, just a few weeks ago the NTSB ruled that accident was likely pilot error and not some kind of crazy conspiracy involving mechanical tampering: http://www.ohio.com/news/83119417.html http://www.ohio.com/news/83119417.html The world is more often than not a strange place.

Inside job, anyone?

tbgvi 17y ago

How much karma do I need before I can down vote someone? This seemed like a good place to ask.

jazzychad 17y ago
200, in my experience. Interestingly, you cannot downvote top-level comments on stories that you submit, however you can downvote the children comments.
- philwelch 17y ago
  You can't downvote any comment that's an immediate child of an item you posted, whether that item is a comment or a submission. For the general sense of "you".
luminary 17y ago
Irrespective of the down-votes, I do see another user expressing something similar. "I'm suspicious it is somehow related to the oil overlords. Big money, big risks."
- fnid2 17y ago
  c'mon, get real. Do you really think there are people out there looking for Cessnas flying around shooting them down if there are EV execs on board? What did they do? Shoot a missile through the fog? Take it down with a privately owned F14? Plant a bomb on it before it took off? It's a ridiculous hypothesis.
  - natrius 17y ago
    I don't know anything about planes, but my hunch is that sabotaging an airplane, especially a private one, is easier than you're making it sound.
    - anigbrowl 17y ago
      Your hunch is largely mistaken. Of course it can be done. But methods like a bomb or remote trigger are apt to leave forensic evidence, and sabotage qua damage to the plane is likely to be found either during pre-flight checks and/or a pilot reporting a problem tower before the crash occurs. Unless an air crash takes place at sea or a very remote location, the chance of sabotage going undetected within the USA is low. All plane crashes in this country are subjected to detailed forensic examination by the NTSB.
      - sokoloff 17y ago
        For GA, the NTSB pretty much only responds to fatal crashes, and even there if the cause is "routine" (controlled flight into terrain, spatial disorientation loss of control) there won't be much in the way of a detailed investigation. Have a non-fatal accident and you as pilot-in-command are required to report it within 72 hours, but no one from the NTSB is likely to ever see the aircraft in question in person. Commercial Part 121 crashes get large amounts of attention and amazing levels of effort (the reconstruction of TWA800 is astonishing to me). If I bend my 182 and don't kill anyone, they'll only know about it because I have to tell them and they'll file my submission away.
    - noonespecial 17y ago
      To call an NTSB post crash investigation rigorous is still a gross understatement. They will piece every little twisted bit of tin back together to find out what happened. Sabotaging a plane is easy, sabotaging a plane and leaving no trace is almost impossible.
  - c1sc0 17y ago
    "What did they do? Shoot a missile through the fog?" ... They didn't have to ... instrument flight is notoriously difficult.
- anigbrowl 17y ago
  2 wrongs don't make a right (I know that's usually said of morality rather than logic but...). Someone always says this anytime there's a plane crash and someone slightly famous dies, but frankly it would be a pretty stupid way to assassinate someone - hard to coordinate, and far too easy to leave a forensic trail that's a mile wide. Tesla is not and was never about to put any big oil company out of business; even if they were, it would be so much simpler to undermine the company by corrupting personnel with money, drugs or sex. The sad facts are that taking off/landing a plane is hard work and doing so on instruments is particularly dangerous, and that being capable and successful does not confer immortality. It's not even tragic: it's just plain old bad luck for the colleagues and families of these people, and that's the saddest fact of all.

korch 17y ago

It wouldn't be the first time. Remember that IT guy who admin'd Bush's secret gwb43.com email servers(in overt defiance of mandated Federal record keeping laws) and who was involved with the election fraud in Ohio? That guy who conveniently died in a small plane crash in 08' right before he was facing summons to testify before Congress? Oh and look at that, just a few weeks ago the NTSB ruled that accident was likely pilot error and not some kind of crazy conspiracy involving mechanical tampering: http://www.ohio.com/news/83119417.html http://www.ohio.com/news/83119417.html The world is more often than not a strange place.