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Care to provide some examples beyond your feelings? The South Korean government did pretty well with shipbuilding: http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp

Care to provide some examples beyond your feelings? The South Korean government did pretty well with shipbuilding: http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=69561 http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=69...

treme 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Major_Rivers_Project#Criticism_of_the_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Major_Rivers_Project#Crit... 17 billion $~ spent with little to show for it, with much allegations of corruption between President Lee & his ex-employer Hyundai constructions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ANQBP0Cq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ANQBP0Cq8 6 million $ spent on "robo-fish" to detect & observe water conditions, 7/9 units DOA; met 10% of targeted spec (speed/data networking bandwidth capabilities) I think government sanctioned projects can work if the leader in charge has proper intent and skills & leadership to steer the resources. This is far from the case with current Korean leadership; as Ms.Park was elected mostly based on her name recognition/ positive sentiments left by her dad. She is widely considered to be one of the most incompetent president ever to be elected into office.
- yongjik 11y ago
  17 billion $ spent, s/with little to show for it/which resulted in total ecological disaster in four major rivers/ During the summer these days, the state of the riverwater is humorously called "Nokjo (algal bloom) latte". See: https://www.google.com/search?q=%EB%85%B9%EC%A1%B0%EB%9D%BC%EB%96%BC&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=%EB%85%B9%EC%A1%B0%EB%9D%BC%... I'm actually happy that Park Geun-Hye is babbling about AI's. At least I can't think of any way that could do a long-lasting harm, other than burning taxypayers' $$$, but they're gonna do that anyway, so what's the difference? Hopefully, in the next election we could find someone who could utter more than one coherent sentence at a time.
  - burfog 11y ago
    It does look like a drink we call "green smoothie" made from ground up spinach, kiwi, etc. Sometimes algae is added. The drink is usually overpriced. It looks like you get it for free! It is normal for politicians to be stupid. Don't you want your country to be normal?
sikim 11y ago
As you probably noticed from the article you linked, strong leadership was what made it possible. President Park is a controversial figure in Korea because of his ruthlessness and dictatorship but nevertheless contributed significantly to the country's economic growth. Under his rule, if people were caught accepting bribes from someone, they would face severe punishments for sure. Currently there is no such leadership (current president is a daughter of the President Park, ironically), and people hear news about corruption and wrong use of government budget all the time, especially in military projects where bribery and nepotism are commonplace.
- hackuser 11y ago
  I don't know much about the old dictatorship. I do know this story is told about many dictatorships. In the others, the reality is that the dictatorship is even more corrupt but because there is no freedom of the press, nobody reports it and the dictator publishes their propaganda about how clean they are and how they are jailing people for corruption, when really they are jailing their opponents (like President Xi in China today). Who would have dared to report about corruption by the original President Park, or to defend his opponents? Democracy produces the least corrupt governments in the world. One big reason is that people are free to report it, the leader can hose their job in the next election, and an indepedent judiciary can convict the leaders friends (and protect their enemies). The corruption is there in any government or human institution; if we aren't reading about it, that's when we have a problem. Democracies also produce the most economically and technologically advanced economies and societies - look at any list; democracies dominate it. The 'strong leadership' approach, for all its appeal to some, doesn't deliver the goods. For all the chaos, giving input to millions rather than to just one person produces much better results.
  - treme 11y ago
    Democracy is usually the best, and dictators are usually bad at managing economies, but there are exceptions. Every once in a while, people luck out and get a competent dictator with proper leadership & economic understanding to direct resources to appropriate areas for economic growth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew Both brutal dictators; but widely considered to have done a fine job steering economies.

treme 11y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Major_Rivers_Project#Criticism_of_the_project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Major_Rivers_Project#Crit... 17 billion $~ spent with little to show for it, with much allegations of corruption between President Lee & his ex-employer Hyundai constructions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ANQBP0Cq8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ANQBP0Cq8 6 million $ spent on "robo-fish" to detect & observe water conditions, 7/9 units DOA; met 10% of targeted spec (speed/data networking bandwidth capabilities) I think government sanctioned projects can work if the leader in charge has proper intent and skills & leadership to steer the resources. This is far from the case with current Korean leadership; as Ms.Park was elected mostly based on her name recognition/ positive sentiments left by her dad. She is widely considered to be one of the most incompetent president ever to be elected into office.

yongjik 11y ago
17 billion $ spent, s/with little to show for it/which resulted in total ecological disaster in four major rivers/ During the summer these days, the state of the riverwater is humorously called "Nokjo (algal bloom) latte". See: https://www.google.com/search?q=%EB%85%B9%EC%A1%B0%EB%9D%BC%EB%96%BC&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=%EB%85%B9%EC%A1%B0%EB%9D%BC%... I'm actually happy that Park Geun-Hye is babbling about AI's. At least I can't think of any way that could do a long-lasting harm, other than burning taxypayers' $$$, but they're gonna do that anyway, so what's the difference? Hopefully, in the next election we could find someone who could utter more than one coherent sentence at a time.
- burfog 11y ago
  It does look like a drink we call "green smoothie" made from ground up spinach, kiwi, etc. Sometimes algae is added. The drink is usually overpriced. It looks like you get it for free! It is normal for politicians to be stupid. Don't you want your country to be normal?

sikim 11y ago

As you probably noticed from the article you linked, strong leadership was what made it possible. President Park is a controversial figure in Korea because of his ruthlessness and dictatorship but nevertheless contributed significantly to the country's economic growth. Under his rule, if people were caught accepting bribes from someone, they would face severe punishments for sure. Currently there is no such leadership (current president is a daughter of the President Park, ironically), and people hear news about corruption and wrong use of government budget all the time, especially in military projects where bribery and nepotism are commonplace.

hackuser 11y ago
I don't know much about the old dictatorship. I do know this story is told about many dictatorships. In the others, the reality is that the dictatorship is even more corrupt but because there is no freedom of the press, nobody reports it and the dictator publishes their propaganda about how clean they are and how they are jailing people for corruption, when really they are jailing their opponents (like President Xi in China today). Who would have dared to report about corruption by the original President Park, or to defend his opponents? Democracy produces the least corrupt governments in the world. One big reason is that people are free to report it, the leader can hose their job in the next election, and an indepedent judiciary can convict the leaders friends (and protect their enemies). The corruption is there in any government or human institution; if we aren't reading about it, that's when we have a problem. Democracies also produce the most economically and technologically advanced economies and societies - look at any list; democracies dominate it. The 'strong leadership' approach, for all its appeal to some, doesn't deliver the goods. For all the chaos, giving input to millions rather than to just one person produces much better results.
- treme 11y ago
  Democracy is usually the best, and dictators are usually bad at managing economies, but there are exceptions. Every once in a while, people luck out and get a competent dictator with proper leadership & economic understanding to direct resources to appropriate areas for economic growth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chung-hee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Kuan_Yew Both brutal dictators; but widely considered to have done a fine job steering economies.