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Well, sure, but really, so what? I understand that we historically have a culture in which salary figures are secret, but that all seems to come from a bunch of

Well, sure, but really, so what? I understand that we historically have a culture in which salary figures are secret, but that all seems to come from a bunch of social-hierarchy stuff about keeping up appearances and saving face. If someone doesn't care about that then what harm could even potentially come about as a result of sharing useful information with peers?

vitd 11y ago
It could be a problem at companies where salaries are under an NDA. If the companies find out you broke the NDA you could get fired. I'm pretty sure my company has such a clause.
- marssaxman 11y ago
  I think I would enjoy the experience of daring assholes like that to fire me.
  - 300bps 11y ago
    If they're smart they'll just find a legal reason to fire you. Ever surf the web for personal reasons at work? Every use your personal mobile on work time? There are so many rules that people violate every day without repercussion until the company needs a reason to get rid of them.
    - aioprisan 11y ago
      What kind of company do you work at that has such rules explicitly spelled out? What's the procedure for firing someone based on that data? Don't they need proof of such activities? Does your workplace have cameras and sound recording at all times trained on their employees? If you do and you don't enjoy that, then maybe it's time to look for something else?
    - fma 11y ago
      "We no longer have the budget for your position" Done.
    - marssaxman 11y ago
      If they're smart and they want you gone, they won't bother with petty stuff like that. They'll just run you through the formal process, six months of PEP then PIP then fired, speaking the ritual words and performing the ritual ceremonies necessary to generate a paper trail that will comfort the lawyers, all tied up and neat. You'll know exactly what happened but there'll be nothing you can prove. If they're smart and they want you to stay, they still won't bother with petty stuff like that, because firing people is expensive and hiring them even more so; they'll either look the other way or find a diplomatic way to deal with it.
- Chirael 11y ago
  That's my standard answer when a prospective employer asks what I'm making now.
- chefkoch 11y ago
  At least in germany a nda about your pay in the emoloyment contract is non binding.
- deleted 11y ago
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- llamataboot 11y ago
  That's illegal in many countries, including the United States, not sure about yours
- zo1 11y ago
  Not to be snarky or anything, but shouldn't you know what is in the NDA that you signed?
  - vitd 11y ago
    Yes, I should. It was 10 years ago, and I have no interest in discussing it with anyone, though, so in this case, it's not a big deal.
mpeg 11y ago
You don't see anything wrong with sharing your full address on the internet? Without even getting out of white collar crime, knowing your name, profession, salary and address makes it easier to steal your identity.
- marssaxman 11y ago
  My name is spectacularly unique, my full address is a matter of public record, I've had the same profession my entire life, and my salary is $135K/year. If someone wants to create trouble for me there's not much I can do to stop them, but they'd be unlikely to make much of a profit in the exercise, so I'm not particularly worried about it. I generally don't bother thinking about potential bad things unknown people might do, because most bad things are done by known people and the people who know me are unlikely to have any such motivation. In the improbable event that some significant crime or terrorist act or whatever did happen to affect me, nothing I could have done in advance is likely to have made any difference, so I believe that I'm better off ignoring all such possibilities and focusing my attention toward the aspects of life where my choices are meaningful. Other people will of course make different choices based on their different experiences and different feelings about risk exposure. This is just the way I live my life - I'm not suggesting everyone should do the same. But I'm pretty comfortable with it, personally. In any case, I don't get your point, because I don't see why deciding to share one's salary figure should have any bearing on a decision about whether to share one's address.

vitd 11y ago

It could be a problem at companies where salaries are under an NDA. If the companies find out you broke the NDA you could get fired. I'm pretty sure my company has such a clause.

marssaxman 11y ago
I think I would enjoy the experience of daring assholes like that to fire me.
- 300bps 11y ago
  If they're smart they'll just find a legal reason to fire you. Ever surf the web for personal reasons at work? Every use your personal mobile on work time? There are so many rules that people violate every day without repercussion until the company needs a reason to get rid of them.
  - aioprisan 11y ago
    What kind of company do you work at that has such rules explicitly spelled out? What's the procedure for firing someone based on that data? Don't they need proof of such activities? Does your workplace have cameras and sound recording at all times trained on their employees? If you do and you don't enjoy that, then maybe it's time to look for something else?
  - fma 11y ago
    "We no longer have the budget for your position" Done.
  - marssaxman 11y ago
    If they're smart and they want you gone, they won't bother with petty stuff like that. They'll just run you through the formal process, six months of PEP then PIP then fired, speaking the ritual words and performing the ritual ceremonies necessary to generate a paper trail that will comfort the lawyers, all tied up and neat. You'll know exactly what happened but there'll be nothing you can prove. If they're smart and they want you to stay, they still won't bother with petty stuff like that, because firing people is expensive and hiring them even more so; they'll either look the other way or find a diplomatic way to deal with it.
Chirael 11y ago
That's my standard answer when a prospective employer asks what I'm making now.
chefkoch 11y ago
At least in germany a nda about your pay in the emoloyment contract is non binding.
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llamataboot 11y ago
That's illegal in many countries, including the United States, not sure about yours
zo1 11y ago
Not to be snarky or anything, but shouldn't you know what is in the NDA that you signed?
- vitd 11y ago
  Yes, I should. It was 10 years ago, and I have no interest in discussing it with anyone, though, so in this case, it's not a big deal.

mpeg 11y ago

You don't see anything wrong with sharing your full address on the internet? Without even getting out of white collar crime, knowing your name, profession, salary and address makes it easier to steal your identity.

marssaxman 11y ago
My name is spectacularly unique, my full address is a matter of public record, I've had the same profession my entire life, and my salary is $135K/year. If someone wants to create trouble for me there's not much I can do to stop them, but they'd be unlikely to make much of a profit in the exercise, so I'm not particularly worried about it. I generally don't bother thinking about potential bad things unknown people might do, because most bad things are done by known people and the people who know me are unlikely to have any such motivation. In the improbable event that some significant crime or terrorist act or whatever did happen to affect me, nothing I could have done in advance is likely to have made any difference, so I believe that I'm better off ignoring all such possibilities and focusing my attention toward the aspects of life where my choices are meaningful. Other people will of course make different choices based on their different experiences and different feelings about risk exposure. This is just the way I live my life - I'm not suggesting everyone should do the same. But I'm pretty comfortable with it, personally. In any case, I don't get your point, because I don't see why deciding to share one's salary figure should have any bearing on a decision about whether to share one's address.