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Good for him. I think Jerry "Tycho" Holkins expresses best how I feel about Gawker in this whole affair. https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/03/14/the

by teach 11y ago

Good for him. I think Jerry "Tycho" Holkins expresses best how I feel about Gawker in this whole affair. https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/03/14/the-didactic-order https://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2016/03/14/the-didact...

jessaustin 11y ago
Wow that's some biblical denunciations right there. Nidhogg!
Analemma_ 11y ago
Ugh, no thank you. I've liked some of Jerry's opinion pieces in the past, but I think he's way off the mark here, especially with this: > The causes they enunciate are tarnished, just for being in their mouths. That's the kind of thinking that gets you atrocious policy, especially in the judicial sphere. As I said below, people who want bad to enshrine bad precedent will pick the most unsympathetic targets in the courts in order to get it - including law enforcement (actually, especially law enforcement. Why isn't Apple helping the FBI stop terrorists???) The courts sometimes see through this trick. Did you know that your Miranda rights exist because the Supreme Court threw out the conviction of a scumbag who had, indisputably, robbed and raped a mentally handicapped girl? It's sad that they didn't this time though, and that apparently the vox populi didn't either.
- the_ancient 11y ago
  Miranda did not create any rights, only the requirement that the government inform you of your rights...
  - Analemma_ 11y ago
    My wording probably could've been better, but the point still stands: you have legal protection from government overreach thanks to a court decision in favor of a rotten defendant. There are plenty of other examples throughout history if that one is not convincing.
  - Crito 11y ago
    If the government is required do something for you ("inform you of your rights", in this case), then wouldn't it be reasonable to say you say that you have the right to that service? Miranda created the right to have the government inform you of your rights.
    - JupiterMoon 11y ago
      Exactly and that new right is actually very important. We should not expect the average person to have enough legal training to know their rights at all times.
- magicalist 11y ago
  > That's the kind of thinking that gets you atrocious policy, especially in the judicial sphere Er, he's calling them a bottom feeding tabloid rag. What does that have to do with policy or precedent? (notably that post was from four days ago, not in reaction to the ruling)

by teach 11y ago

jessaustin 11y ago

Wow that's some biblical denunciations right there. Nidhogg!

Analemma_ 11y ago

Ugh, no thank you. I've liked some of Jerry's opinion pieces in the past, but I think he's way off the mark here, especially with this: > The causes they enunciate are tarnished, just for being in their mouths. That's the kind of thinking that gets you atrocious policy, especially in the judicial sphere. As I said below, people who want bad to enshrine bad precedent will pick the most unsympathetic targets in the courts in order to get it - including law enforcement (actually, especially law enforcement. Why isn't Apple helping the FBI stop terrorists???) The courts sometimes see through this trick. Did you know that your Miranda rights exist because the Supreme Court threw out the conviction of a scumbag who had, indisputably, robbed and raped a mentally handicapped girl? It's sad that they didn't this time though, and that apparently the vox populi didn't either.

the_ancient 11y ago
Miranda did not create any rights, only the requirement that the government inform you of your rights...
- Analemma_ 11y ago
  My wording probably could've been better, but the point still stands: you have legal protection from government overreach thanks to a court decision in favor of a rotten defendant. There are plenty of other examples throughout history if that one is not convincing.
- Crito 11y ago
  If the government is required do something for you ("inform you of your rights", in this case), then wouldn't it be reasonable to say you say that you have the right to that service? Miranda created the right to have the government inform you of your rights.
  - JupiterMoon 11y ago
    Exactly and that new right is actually very important. We should not expect the average person to have enough legal training to know their rights at all times.
magicalist 11y ago
> That's the kind of thinking that gets you atrocious policy, especially in the judicial sphere Er, he's calling them a bottom feeding tabloid rag. What does that have to do with policy or precedent? (notably that post was from four days ago, not in reaction to the ruling)