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Hey Sam, Any comment regarding Jason Calacanis being banned from YC's upcoming demo day? Jason tweeted[1] his side but didn't know what the YC side of it was a
by BinaryIdiot 11y ago
Hey Sam,
Any comment regarding Jason Calacanis being banned from YC's upcoming demo day? Jason tweeted[1] his side but didn't know what the YC side of it was and was curious.
[1] https://twitter.com/Jason/status/710176806184349696 https://twitter.com/Jason/status/710176806184349696
- sama 11y agoTo be clear, it has nothing to do with all the shit he talks about YC. Though that's annoying, it's fine. We collect feedback from YC founders on investors (we have a giant database of this). If you mistreat founders, we don't invite you to Demo Day. This isn't permanent--if you stop mistreating founders we start inviting you again. Also, it's possible that our founders are wrong in their assessment of how a particular investor is treating them, but investors have enough advantages in the system and we unashamedly take the side of our founders. EDIT: I also never think these things are black and white, and that all of us have good and bad parts. I've heard from plenty of founders that Jason has been very helpful to their companies.
- foobarqux 11y agoIs it true that some VCs get first dibs on YC companies before demo day?
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agoI can confirm this is true, because YC staff members have explained to me that they bring in a small group of investors to mentor -- and because founders have confirmed it. This is something I talked about on This Week in Startups, and frankly I think it has something to do with my "ban."
- djiaomei 11y agoThis is not our experience. Actually, Jason is the most founder-friendly investor that I have ever worked with. He really cares about founders. He was the very first investor that invested in us, and has become our biggest champion since our very early days. Most investors look for traction and only decide to invest when you have traction. Jason sees the fire and the determination in us (first time founders), and decides to support us, and helps us grow as a person and as a company. Some other investors just put in money and disappears. But Jason truly cares and whenever we need help, he's always there. He gives us frank feedback that we really need, he challenges us and pushes us to be better. He helps us with intros. He sends product feedback and recommendations without being asked. I know dozens of other founders that Jason had invested in and I know that they all feel the same way I do about Jason.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agoThe traction I saw in https://leadiq.io/ https://leadiq.io/ was NOT in the product as much as the founder... it was clear to me that you were a winner who knew how to execute at a high level -- even if the product was a little awkward and round around the edges when we met. Truth is, we're all a little awkward at the start... Uber and Thumbtack were both a little awkward when I did those angels rounds too. The job of an angel investor is to look at the promise of the startup -- not the problems.
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- rahulvohra 11y agoSince Jason gets a lot of flak (not that he cares): Jason was one of the first and most helpful investors in Rapportive (YCS10, acq LinkedIn). He believed in us when there was no obvious reason to. Jason was one of the first investors I went back to for Superhuman. (He negotiated hard, but then so do I — that's just part of each side getting what they want.) I'd work with Jason again in a heartbeat for my next company.
- rboyd 11y agoSuperhuman?? what a brand!
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agoWait until you see the product -- it's AWESOME. I've been using it for two weeks and I'm addicted. I think this will be 100x bigger than Rapportive! excited for it!
- KurtKumar 11y agoSam and Jason, this is something that should be done and resolved 1-on-1. The entire ecosystem collectively gets distracted when these happen. Imagine the cost of this (gazillion followers spending gazillion man-decades of brain cycles). Also this gets you and him to be distracted as well and compound it by NOT tweeting/snap chatting stuff that is net +ive.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y ago+1 Sam is wildly successful I'm wildly successful We've disagreed twice in 10 years, but when we do it's like two huge bulls cracking heads -- it's ugly! :-)
- ricfulop 11y agoExcluding Jason is perplexing to me. For context I've started 6 companies, one went public and was a unicorn. I've worked with Jason as an angel in my companies and I've been on a board with him. Jason has been an awesome throughout several years of doing business with him. I can't envision a scenario where he wouldn't be founder friendly and I'd love to have him as an investor in any future project I pursue. Any first time founder would be lucky to work with Jason.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y ago... and I am soooooo excited for your latest startup Ric. You're going to change the world -- again! much love, thanks for speaking at the Angel Summit earlier this month!
- financedfuture 11y agoDoes YC take Jason and other early-stage investors as direct competitors?
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agoI actually believe it's fine for folks to incubator hop -- Sam does not. Sam's Post: http://blog.ycombinator.com/getting-into-y-combinator http://blog.ycombinator.com/getting-into-y-combinator my post: http://calacanis.com/2016/01/26/incubator-hopping-should-you-go-to-more-than-one-incubator/ http://calacanis.com/2016/01/26/incubator-hopping-should-you... 99% of the investors out there agree with my position -- the 1% that don't work at YCombinator. :-)
- thomasilk 11y agoBanning someone for calling YC out is bad enough, but bad mouthing him afterwards and claiming that he mistreated founders (or YC founders saying that he did) is such a cheap shot. There is absolutely no history of Jason being known for mistreating founders. The opposite is true. AngelForum, free Launch tickets for founders and so on. He wouldn't get in the deals he's getting in if it were any different. As it currently stands I'd never enter YC as a founder. Your comment cries of hypocrisy and falseness. Either you honestly think he's mistreating founders then ban him and tell it like it is (and back it up with proof) or you don't think he's mistreating founders and think the feedback is unsubstantiated (if it exists) then man up and do what's best for YC founders.
- carlisle_ 11y agoJason is a bully. I've heard plenty of horror stories of people who have worked for him. I'm not surprised in the least and I'm extremely glad to see people standing up to him.
- foobarqux 11y agoCare to share any specific ones?
- hoodoof 11y agoIn fact such statements deserve specific details or shutting up. Either way it's potentially slanderous.
- carlisle_ 11y agoI can't reply to your other comment as its nested too deeply, but I'm not posting to earn your respect. If you don't believe me that's fine, but equivocating anonymity with trolling is a strawman if I've ever seen one.
- carlisle_ 11y agoI'm specifically thinking of an incident where he yelled at a dev until she cried in the middle of the open office at Mahalo.
- hoodoof 11y agoI'd respect you sniping at people more if you did it whilst showing your true identity at the same time. If you're going to attack online from a hidden identity then that's just trolling.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y ago+1
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- palakchokshi 11y agoSeems pretty clear from the tweet. I've never applied to YC or don't know exactly how it works internally but it seems like they have a feedback form they give to founders to rate the investors that come to Demo day. Based on that they give a score to each investor and they have a threshold. If an investor falls below the threshold they are not invited to demo day. I think the system is a good one.
- Clectasteve 11y agoNothing but positives about Jason, I was in the last Launch class. I was away from my family for 4 months. Jason invited me to thanksgiving and when my family did arrive we had play dates with his family. Post Launch he could easily cut us loose and focus on the top 1% of his portfolio. He doesn't do that, he is incredibly loyal and helpful. Some people just don't like that he likes to win but he doesn't do it at the expense of others in my experience.
- craigzingerline 11y agoNothing but positives from me as well. I've been involved in 2 incubator classes now (1st and 3rd) and you always know where you stand with Jason. He is a relentless champion of the companies he's involved with, and will always give feedback. He's an amazing investor, mentor and someone whom I've learned a lot from.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agoyou've worked really hard with Morgan Spurlock to get http://www.clect.com/ http://www.clect.com/ to launch. Marketplaces are hard, but it's clear you're making massive progress. well worth checking out their launch video https://angel.co/clect-collect-together/ https://angel.co/clect-collect-together/
- supergeek18 11y agoJason is one of the most honest and helpful people I've ever met. Super happy that we met him and have his support. Never experienced any sort of bullying, offer changing and confidentially info sharing...
- Clectasteve 11y agoCandidness is a virtue. Jason delivers it in a manner that motivates. I spent 4 months away from my family for Launch. Jason invited me to Thanksgiving. Post launch his support is unwavering despite having at least two of the 14 companies already flying. I found him to be a gentleman.
- redtri 11y agoJason is the only investor I've worked with that treated me simply as a founder, not a "female founder." This alone is a reason that new YC entrepreneurs should have access to working with him. He sets an example of how entrepreneurs should be treated. Jason has seen me at my worst, when I was ready to throw in the towel and battling with my board and generally having a tough, tough time, and I left the meeting with hom feeling like a rockstar, that I COULD handle it, and could go on to succeed (which I am doing today). He is such a founder advocate I would take $25k from Jason over $250k from a bigger VC, because when the going gets tough (and it will) Jason will ALWAYS have your back.
- craigzingerline 11y ago+100 on this!!!
- nikcub 11y agoYou are one of 7 brand new accounts created since this thread was posted who have left comments praising Jason: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=supergeek18 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=supergeek18 https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=vincentc https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=vincentc https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=Clectasteve https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=Clectasteve https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ericzli https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ericzli https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=rushtix https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=rushtix https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=redtri https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=redtri https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=adamdill https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=adamdill Rather obvious what is going on here - and it is pathetic
- JeremyHoward 11y agoSam altman tweeted this thread to his 149,000 twitter followers some of which would have worked with Jason, and won't have HN accounts. Before Sam edited his comment, his comment implied that Jason had bullied founders, changed offers and shared founders confidential information. > We collect feedback from YC founders on investors (we have a giant database of this). If you mistreat founders, we don't invite you to Demo Day. This isn't permanent--if you stop mistreating founders (i.e. bullying them, changing offers, sharing their confidential info, etc etc etc) then we start inviting you again.
- ngarg87 11y agonot personally familiar with the YC process in the least here, but in our short tenure with him so far he has been a tremendous coach and evangelist for us. he's certainly tough, but also balanced. we are lucky to have him onboard.
- vincentc 11y agoJason has been nothing but supportive, helpful, and encouraging towards us personally, and our business. He has made himself extremely available, and has invested much of his time in doing this.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agothanks pal... we are all in this together!
- knewter 11y agoJason's an investor in my company, http://dailydrip.com http://dailydrip.com. we started out doing something entirely different. He told us from the beginning that he invests in founders. I got the chance to test that when a huge incumbent in our prior space released essentially our product at a better price, and we decided to pivot to dailydrip. I was a bit worried about discussing it with him, honestly. I didn't need to be. He was extremely supportive, and our current business is doing fantastically; we're even more passionate about it. In addition, everyone I've met that ever had him as an investor seems to have the same experience: once he's in your court, he's ridiculously helpful. Long story short, I maintain that getting into the launch incubator or getting Jason on your side as an investor is one of the best things an early stage startup can do. Have never met someone who had him as an investor who had a negative word to say.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agothanks pal.... I love what daily drip is doing in education and, yeah, pivots are scary -- but it's better to pivot than die! We are going to have massive success together... can't wait to high five in seven years (or less)!
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- jimitshah 11y agoJason's been a great supporter of our company/vision, and we couldn't be happier to have him as an investor. This tweet really summarizes the kind of person Jason is: https://twitter.com/Dan_Fennessy/status/705889049987325952 https://twitter.com/Dan_Fennessy/status/705889049987325952
- eeho 11y agoa suspicious number of people seem to have signed up just to comment here...
- bluesroo 11y agoIt's pretty weird.
- Clectasteve 11y agoSigned up to support Jason as he supported us. To be honest I hadn't even heard of this forum before.
- Clectasteve 11y agoSigned up to support Jason as he supported us. To be honest I hadn't even heard of this forum before.
- rushtix 11y agoI've found Jason to be an extremely supportive, honest and loyal investor. He is very supportive of early stage founders and excels at leveling you up to the next stage. The first time I saw Jason in person was at a Founder Institute session. He told is own story of struggle/success/failure/success. It was one of the most moving things I've ever witnessed. This guy has heart and has been in the trenches doing the work.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agoLove speaking at Adeo's FI... such an open program.
- ericzli 11y agoJason is one of the greatest investor. Without him, we would not have moved to the Bay Area, would not have made great progress in product and strategy over 3 months. He is honest and helpful.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agothanks eric...
- helloscout 11y agoIf anybody has questions about what it's like to have Jason as an investor, feel free to message me. Jason was our first investor and I have ton of respect for him. Here's how Jason has been founder friendly for us: * He always has your back — he'll encourage you even when times are hard * He responds to your updates with thoughtful questions and suggestions * He's happy to make intros and use his network on your behalf Most importantly he's an entrepreneur and investor — and he knows about the hard times entrepreneurs go through. He'll always encourage you and you always leave a meeting with Jason feeling more positive than you did beforehand. He doesn't believe he knows the answer to every question, but he'll give you his advice. It's hard to over-state how important this is. Again, I'm happy to jump on the phone if any founders have questions about Jason. Message me.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agothanks for the candid review....
- geoffclapp 11y agoI'd be glad to answer any questions people have about Jason as an investor and share my experience. He was involved in my second startup - the first was very successful, the second was a failure. I had a great experience with Jason, even though the startup was shutdown. That shutdown was where Jason showed his true colors - he was always there, had great ideas, and was super supportive. When we did shut it down, the first phone call I got was from Jason, checking in. I still have the message in my voicemail. After that, he continued to keep in touch and keep me "in the family". He had 100's of investments he could have been spending time on, but he never forgot. The idea that he is not founder-friendly boggles my mind. He's incredibly human. I'm sure when you invest as much as he has, he has some things in the past he'd like to take back - hell, I know I do as an entrepreneur - but I can say he's on the list of people who I'd love to work with again and again.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agoThanks Geoff... I'm very proud of the work we did together. Failure we is the precursor of success, so make sure I'm your first phone call when you have your next idea!
- roberthaydock 11y agoIf you ban Jason you are missing one of the most founder friendly investors out there. We were a part of Jason's latest incubator class and I have a close friend going through YC right now. Our experience with Jason was amazing and the access to top tier investors in a small setting with only 6 other companies on a weekly basis was an experience that can't easily be replicated. It definitely accelerated our business and once Jason is an investor he is on your side and will work tirelessly to give you the best opportunity possible to succeed.
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- arctictony 11y agoJason was one of the first people to put money into Chartbeat. I've now worked with him as an investor for seven years and he's been consistently supportive and founder friendly even when it hasn't been in his short term interest to do so. He's also got incredible product intuition. I'd recommend him to any founder looking to work with someone who gives a shit.
- angelohuang 11y agoJason is our first investor in LeadIQ. We are very glad to have his help on our product and fund raising. I don't know enough about other incubators but my partner, Mei and me are very excited to be one of Jason's portfolio companies. Jason is a strong product person. He understands products and markets really well, and his feedback is always on point and help us to improve. I strongly suggest every founder to apply to his incubator if you have a very solid product.
- sonnymayugba 11y agoI'm a 45 year old entrepreneur. Not famous, but have done 11 startups, built some cool things, made money, lost money. I say that to put context to the vast number of collaborators I've worked with in my career. (I'm sure many of you have the same experience.) My latest venture was lucky enough to get into Jason's Launch Incubator class 1. And I have to share that the experience of being able to work with Jason on a product development level, a business level, as an investor, and as a person who subscribes to radical candor, has been nothing short of amazing. He nurtured us, encouraged, was critical, shared everything, wrote checks, asked friends to write checks, so we could follow our mission of building software for the world. That's all great, but the best part is he cares. Truly cares about us, what we're doing and where we're going.
- jasonmcalacanis 11y agothanks Sonny! It's been a pleasure working with you as well... So nice to see so many founders give details of what it's like in the launchincubator.co
- ryansheffer 11y agoLong time stalker. First time feeling a desire to post. Jason is an investor in my team's company www.zeroslant.com. We went through the LAUNCH Incubator. We went through a pivot. He has been a tireless supporter - no matter what. I'm not sure what caused him to be banned but I hope all the YC companies have access to him as an advocate.
- iggzloop 11y agoYou investors need to stop shit talking one another. Jason is super helpful to me, even though I've never got a penny in investment out of him. And Sam you've helped to build an ecosystem that is unmatched by any accelerators. I am looking at you guys for ideas to help my new venture, Angeloop, to add the same value to the companies that don't get into the program. We are bridging the communication gap that exists between startup and their investors so they can help each other scale. I'm hoping you guys can work through your issues because when you guys fight, it contributes to our fragile system further deteriorate.