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Last March, you mentioned on twitter that you are a customer of/financially support Shanley Kane's organization, Model View Culture. Since since then (and befor

Last March, you mentioned on twitter that you are a customer of/financially support Shanley Kane's organization, Model View Culture. Since since then (and before then too), she has made a variety of racially and sexually charged statements, such as, "fire some fuckin white guys to get it done" ( https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KtAdEv8WXUIJ:https://twitter.com/shanley/status/633773694536429568+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KtAdEv... ). Do you or Y-Combinator still patronize or support Model View Code after these statements? (A pure yes or no is fine, I don't need a big discussion, I just want to know where you and YCombinator stand.)

hoodoof 11y ago
Is this really the place/time to ask such questions? Or are you hoping for an answer because you feel Sam is trapped into answering here?
- henrymercer 11y ago
  He titled the post AMA. If he doesn't care to answer here, I'll email him in private.
- WWKong 11y ago
  It is AMA. Not "ask me what I'm comfortable answering". In such a forum there is always some controversial discussions. Being trapped might not be the right perspective. And at this time Sam has answered.
sama 11y ago
No.
pw 11y ago
I'd love to hear what you find so objectionable about the tweets to linked to. It seems radical but not offensive.
- nailer 11y ago
  Shanley also signs off a lot of her content with 'kill all men' and has doxxed critics before.
  - pw 11y ago
    I can see the doxxing being an issue (although, if you're referring to Milo Yiannopoulos, I think the case might be more complicated), but I think anyone who reads 'kill all men' as a anything more than a rhetorical flourish is being a bit over literal.
    - nailer 11y ago
      Do you think it's acceptable to use 'kill all (gender)' as a rhetorical flourish?
- henrymercer 11y ago
  She wants mass firings of people like me and you for no other reason than our sex and the color of our skin.
  - geofft 11y ago
    This seems reasonable if (and only if!) people who match you on sex and skin color are unfairly overrepresented, and if the meaning is to fire those who aren't qualified, not to indiscriminately fire to meet a quota. I read both of those things as implied by that tweet and its context, but I can see how they're not obvious. Without that context, I admit the sentence is racist and sexist, but in context, it seems like a reasonable response to existing racism and sexism that has given employment to unqualified white men more than to unqualified people of different race/gender. (It is sort of like "black lives matter": shorn of context it seems to privilege one race, but in a world where black lives seem to matter less than other lives, it is a response to that existing racism.) I am a man but not white, so perhaps this does not sting as much as it stings you, in which case I apologize for not being able to fully empathize. Anecdotally, the vast majority of the underqualified and incompetent people I've worked with in tech have been men, even taking into account the general proportion of men and women in tech. Without thinking hard, I can name underqualified men, qualified men, and qualified women that I have worked with, but would have to think hard to remember underqualified women. So I'm okay with focusing any attempts to fire unqualified people on men, or, at least, making sure that any efforts to fire unqualified people end up firing at least some men.

hoodoof 11y ago

Is this really the place/time to ask such questions? Or are you hoping for an answer because you feel Sam is trapped into answering here?

henrymercer 11y ago
He titled the post AMA. If he doesn't care to answer here, I'll email him in private.
WWKong 11y ago
It is AMA. Not "ask me what I'm comfortable answering". In such a forum there is always some controversial discussions. Being trapped might not be the right perspective. And at this time Sam has answered.

sama 11y ago

No.

pw 11y ago

I'd love to hear what you find so objectionable about the tweets to linked to. It seems radical but not offensive.

nailer 11y ago
Shanley also signs off a lot of her content with 'kill all men' and has doxxed critics before.
- pw 11y ago
  I can see the doxxing being an issue (although, if you're referring to Milo Yiannopoulos, I think the case might be more complicated), but I think anyone who reads 'kill all men' as a anything more than a rhetorical flourish is being a bit over literal.
  - nailer 11y ago
    Do you think it's acceptable to use 'kill all (gender)' as a rhetorical flourish?
henrymercer 11y ago
She wants mass firings of people like me and you for no other reason than our sex and the color of our skin.
- geofft 11y ago
  This seems reasonable if (and only if!) people who match you on sex and skin color are unfairly overrepresented, and if the meaning is to fire those who aren't qualified, not to indiscriminately fire to meet a quota. I read both of those things as implied by that tweet and its context, but I can see how they're not obvious. Without that context, I admit the sentence is racist and sexist, but in context, it seems like a reasonable response to existing racism and sexism that has given employment to unqualified white men more than to unqualified people of different race/gender. (It is sort of like "black lives matter": shorn of context it seems to privilege one race, but in a world where black lives seem to matter less than other lives, it is a response to that existing racism.) I am a man but not white, so perhaps this does not sting as much as it stings you, in which case I apologize for not being able to fully empathize. Anecdotally, the vast majority of the underqualified and incompetent people I've worked with in tech have been men, even taking into account the general proportion of men and women in tech. Without thinking hard, I can name underqualified men, qualified men, and qualified women that I have worked with, but would have to think hard to remember underqualified women. So I'm okay with focusing any attempts to fire unqualified people on men, or, at least, making sure that any efforts to fire unqualified people end up firing at least some men.