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Think about it -- you clearly decided your home country was not as conducive for building your future as the US may be Hi, as a Canadian, I also take issue wit

• ConfuciusSay02 11y ago
  Call it second class is different than comparing it to being in prison. People in actual prison might take issue with your statement.
  • DKnoll 11y ago
    People in prison would likely take issue with a lot of things unreasonably, which is likely why they're in prison to begin with.
    • ConfuciusSay02 11y ago
      You think it's unreasonable to take issue with comparing someone on an h1b visa to being in prison?
      • DKnoll 11y ago
        I think I made that pretty clear. I'd add petty as well.
• phibit 11y ago
  > Your ancestors came here for the same reason as him, and with far less scrutiny, same as mine, and were provided many benefits not recieved today, including land grants. There has been a dramatic change in economic and social climate in the Americas. Our vague "ancestors" entered Canada and the US in times where it might not have been so magnificent to immigrate, and as such they were presented with incentives to immigrate and contribute to a growing economy. Never mind that some of our ancestors came in as refugees fleeing war and communism. Today, both Canada and the US have the right to protect their national interests and prioritize the development of their own citizens above the interests of foreign nationals. All countries do this, even those perceived as the most accepting.
  • DKnoll 11y ago
    Canada just accepted 25,000 Syrian refugees fleeing war and something much worse than communism. The social and economic climate has changed dramatically, you're right. We no longer have a climate condusive to a free-for-all exploitation of Aboriginals, Africans, and the environment.
    • phibit 11y ago
      > Canada just accepted 25,000 Syrian refugees fleeing war and something much worse than communism. This is to my point, there is less scrutiny for immigrants in 'dire straits'. > The social and economic climate has changed dramatically, you're right. We no longer have a climate condusive to a free-for-all exploitation of Aboriginals, Africans, and the environment. Unclear how this goes to show that anybody should be allowed to immigrate anywhere under any conditions. Edit: straights -> straits
      • DKnoll 11y ago
        How long did it take for us (the West as a whole) to recognise the situation in Syria, and how many Syrians died in the meantime?
        • phibit 11y ago
          Very thought-provoking question but you've now completely diverged from the original topic.
          • DKnoll 11y ago
            You suggested that those in 'dire straits' are treated differently, and I responded that, yes, they are, however it takes a significant amount of time and lives lost for us to recognise this.
            • phibit 11y ago
              It seems like you just joined a conversation about work Visas, but you had already decided you wanted to talk about Syria today.
• arcticfox 11y ago
  They have not become a citizen just because they have a work visa. If they become a citizen, of course they shouldn't be second class. They've been given a visa for a specific purpose, and in the eyes of the law are not "first class citizens". If your argument is that we should grant citizenship to anyone that wants it: OK, vote for it.
  • lnkmails 11y ago
    Well, as a H1B visa holder paying same taxes as citizens, I either need the country to provide me a path to citizenship or stop taxing me like citizens. I can go either ways. Your ancestors fought for taxation without representation. I come from a democracy too and yes my country is not as conducive as United States for starting businesses but I just won't be made feel inferior to citizens because I was born elsewhere. That is against the promise of the constitution especially when I live in continental United States. Also, seriously, if I can work indefinitely on a visa without citizenship, I am 100% happy to do that. There is a 6 year cap unless you express willingness to migrate or stay in home country for a year before getting another six years. So your government is disrupting my life in many ways that they don't to the citizens. It seems unfair.
    • arcticfox 11y ago
      I can see why it's better for you if the US government doesn't tax you, but why is it better for the US? It is a nice place, and I hope you're able to become a citizen at some point if you desire to, but until then the priorities of the US are with its own people. "Taxation without representation" doesn't apply here, because you aren't forced to live or work here. You do have representation in your own government, which is exactly what the founders of the US fought for. They did not fight for the right to go work in other places, like the UK, untaxed.
• rifung 11y ago
  > Why does a person migrating today deserve to be treated as second class? You don't go into someone else's home and then expect to be treated like family. I don't think immigration policy is really centered around morality or what people "deserve" but, like with most government policy, looking out for the interests of the country.
  • nailer 11y ago
    It's in the interests of countries to have the best and brightest in the world starting businesses there.