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It's not arrogance if it is true. The trend is very clear: the list of tasks which can be automated is getting longer. The list of jobs being done by unskille

It's not arrogance if it is true. The trend is very clear: the list of tasks which can be automated is getting longer. The list of jobs being done by unskilled and/or nontechnical workers is getting shorter. This is a trend noted by economists for many decades (we've all heard about how most jobs in America are now 'service jobs', that is just one example). It is very lazy to do what this author is doing. See success, demand charity via a convoluted argument which boils down to "instead of solving everyone's problems, listen to my populist bullshit and solve them in this obviously unworkable way that is based on ignorance and doesn't challenge any assumptions that are widely held. Change is scary and not guaranteed to make every single thing better, so we should fight it."

kordless 11y ago
> It's not arrogance if it is true. Trust is a slippery thing, given it can be swayed by biases. So is blaming others, which is exactly what you are doing with your comment. Arrogance comes from blame based on a comparison operation to the one doing the comparison. There's clearly biases involved in that operation. The quotes you are using in your third paragraph are a way for you to speak for others, which is exactly the type of arrogance being referred to in the article. Let others speak for their own thoughts and actions. Stick to your own and we'll all get along!
- justin_vanw 11y ago
  If you define arrogance too broadly, then every person who ever tried to do anything competitive is arrogant. Starting a company is arrogant, because to be successful you will have to be better than your competition, and since maybe you are just biased and maybe you aren't actually better than your competition, automatically you are arrogant? Your definition makes almost every single thing every person does (apart from watching TV) arrogance. Edit: trimmed this to my core response
  - restalis 11y ago
    "Your definition makes almost every single thing every person does (apart from watching TV) arrogance." I think that watching TV has no inherent prevention from being arrogant, so TV watchers must be arrogant too! (Armchair quarterbacks anyone? Hell, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that the article itself was written by some sort of armchair [whatever]!)
  - kordless 11y ago
    Arrogance is saying what you are doing is better than what I'm doing, without fully understanding what I'm doing and how I'm doing it. That is the definition of judgement as well. Competition is gaining resources others are also attempting to obtain. When the trust channels get double bound by others, VCs for example, judgement and arrogance appears. I view competitive arrogance as a special type of judgement that indicates another's approach to the problem you are solving will NOT be competitive. Again, it's easier to judge others than it is yourself. Saying something doesn't make it true. Competition can occur without judgement. Just look at life, less the human equation.
Thrymr 11y ago
> It's not arrogance if it is true. No, it's still arrogance to believe you're right and the rest of the world is wrong. Even if you believe it's "true".
- justin_vanw 11y ago
  If it is arrogant to believe you are right and the rest of the world is wrong, then every genius or great leader in history is arrogant. Thankfully so, or we would never have made any progress whatsoever. If you are right, then arrogance is a wonderful thing.
JakeAl 11y ago
Instead of UBI how about rent, food and utility price caps? The thing about UBI is it will have to keep being raised. Rent, food and energy prices keep going up while salaries and GDP stagnate. Imagine having a fixed income and trying to survive while prices go up 3-5% each year. Adaptability is all well and good when you are young, but unless you have a surplus of money and can save your entire life so you have enough money when you can no longer work, it doesn't help. Do the math, if you retire or have to retire early, your cost of living for 20 years at even a modest standard of living is in the millions. UBI isn't going to address that. It means your standard of living will have to keep going down in order to keep up with the inflation.

kordless 11y ago

> It's not arrogance if it is true. Trust is a slippery thing, given it can be swayed by biases. So is blaming others, which is exactly what you are doing with your comment. Arrogance comes from blame based on a comparison operation to the one doing the comparison. There's clearly biases involved in that operation. The quotes you are using in your third paragraph are a way for you to speak for others, which is exactly the type of arrogance being referred to in the article. Let others speak for their own thoughts and actions. Stick to your own and we'll all get along!

justin_vanw 11y ago
If you define arrogance too broadly, then every person who ever tried to do anything competitive is arrogant. Starting a company is arrogant, because to be successful you will have to be better than your competition, and since maybe you are just biased and maybe you aren't actually better than your competition, automatically you are arrogant? Your definition makes almost every single thing every person does (apart from watching TV) arrogance. Edit: trimmed this to my core response
- restalis 11y ago
  "Your definition makes almost every single thing every person does (apart from watching TV) arrogance." I think that watching TV has no inherent prevention from being arrogant, so TV watchers must be arrogant too! (Armchair quarterbacks anyone? Hell, the more I think about it the more convinced I am that the article itself was written by some sort of armchair [whatever]!)
- kordless 11y ago
  Arrogance is saying what you are doing is better than what I'm doing, without fully understanding what I'm doing and how I'm doing it. That is the definition of judgement as well. Competition is gaining resources others are also attempting to obtain. When the trust channels get double bound by others, VCs for example, judgement and arrogance appears. I view competitive arrogance as a special type of judgement that indicates another's approach to the problem you are solving will NOT be competitive. Again, it's easier to judge others than it is yourself. Saying something doesn't make it true. Competition can occur without judgement. Just look at life, less the human equation.

Thrymr 11y ago

> It's not arrogance if it is true. No, it's still arrogance to believe you're right and the rest of the world is wrong. Even if you believe it's "true".

justin_vanw 11y ago
If it is arrogant to believe you are right and the rest of the world is wrong, then every genius or great leader in history is arrogant. Thankfully so, or we would never have made any progress whatsoever. If you are right, then arrogance is a wonderful thing.

JakeAl 11y ago

Instead of UBI how about rent, food and utility price caps? The thing about UBI is it will have to keep being raised. Rent, food and energy prices keep going up while salaries and GDP stagnate. Imagine having a fixed income and trying to survive while prices go up 3-5% each year. Adaptability is all well and good when you are young, but unless you have a surplus of money and can save your entire life so you have enough money when you can no longer work, it doesn't help. Do the math, if you retire or have to retire early, your cost of living for 20 years at even a modest standard of living is in the millions. UBI isn't going to address that. It means your standard of living will have to keep going down in order to keep up with the inflation.