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There is absolutely no STEM shortage at the Facebook/Google level. Google has been on the record many times that they're happy rejecting good applicants in orde

by no_wave 11y ago

There is absolutely no STEM shortage at the Facebook/Google level. Google has been on the record many times that they're happy rejecting good applicants in order to reduce the risk of hiring a bad candidate. That's not what hiring during a shortage looks like.

cubano 11y ago
This is so very true, and not only that, they use their ridiculous exclusionary and arbitrary hiring practices as a self-enforced proof that they absolutely need more low cost H1B workers.
- winter_blue 11y ago
  I find it willfully ignorant, hateful, and racist how you keep demeaning immigrant workers by characterizing them as "low cost". I graduated very recently with a B.S. in Computer Science, and my total comp (incl. bonuses) at my current company is slightly over $150,000. I am not over-worked, or under-paid. (I have never met any of these "cheap workers" myself, but I'm sure they exist in some corners.) It is disgusting, dishonest and offensive how your portray every H-1B visa holder as a "low cost" worker.
  - chrisbennet 11y ago
    You most likely haven't met the low cost H1B's because you are so new to the industry or the 1 or 2 companies you've worked for aren't big companies that are outsourcing their work force. (This is not a criticism.) The anger that some feel, is towards employers who say their is a STEM shortage but what they mean is that they can't hire someone cheaply enough. As Joel Spolsky said: "Now, let's review some microeconomics. In a free market, it is almost axiomatic that the market always clears. That's a technical term that means that when somebody tries to sell something, if they are willing to accept the market price, they will be able to sell it, and when somebody wants to buy something, if they are willing to pay the market price, they will be able to buy it. It's just a matter of both sides accepting the market price. The trouble comes when people are not realistic about market prices. " Whaddaya Mean, You Can't Find Programmers? http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000050.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000050.html
  - cubano 11y ago
    > I find it willfully ignorant, hateful, and racist ... > It is disgusting, dishonest and offensive how your portray every H-1B visa holder as a "low cost" worker. Your Alinsky tactics will not work on me, my friend...you should try more substantive arguments. I am glad you are doing so well as I, for one, never resent anyone successes in the world. But facts are stubborn things, and in the aggregate, H1B workers increase corporate profitability at the expense of the established senior ones.

by no_wave 11y ago

cubano 11y ago

This is so very true, and not only that, they use their ridiculous exclusionary and arbitrary hiring practices as a self-enforced proof that they absolutely need more low cost H1B workers.

winter_blue 11y ago
I find it willfully ignorant, hateful, and racist how you keep demeaning immigrant workers by characterizing them as "low cost". I graduated very recently with a B.S. in Computer Science, and my total comp (incl. bonuses) at my current company is slightly over $150,000. I am not over-worked, or under-paid. (I have never met any of these "cheap workers" myself, but I'm sure they exist in some corners.) It is disgusting, dishonest and offensive how your portray every H-1B visa holder as a "low cost" worker.
- chrisbennet 11y ago
  You most likely haven't met the low cost H1B's because you are so new to the industry or the 1 or 2 companies you've worked for aren't big companies that are outsourcing their work force. (This is not a criticism.) The anger that some feel, is towards employers who say their is a STEM shortage but what they mean is that they can't hire someone cheaply enough. As Joel Spolsky said: "Now, let's review some microeconomics. In a free market, it is almost axiomatic that the market always clears. That's a technical term that means that when somebody tries to sell something, if they are willing to accept the market price, they will be able to sell it, and when somebody wants to buy something, if they are willing to pay the market price, they will be able to buy it. It's just a matter of both sides accepting the market price. The trouble comes when people are not realistic about market prices. " Whaddaya Mean, You Can't Find Programmers? http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000050.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000050.html
- cubano 11y ago
  > I find it willfully ignorant, hateful, and racist ... > It is disgusting, dishonest and offensive how your portray every H-1B visa holder as a "low cost" worker. Your Alinsky tactics will not work on me, my friend...you should try more substantive arguments. I am glad you are doing so well as I, for one, never resent anyone successes in the world. But facts are stubborn things, and in the aggregate, H1B workers increase corporate profitability at the expense of the established senior ones.